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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:38 am
by Azrael
there's no saying that it wasn't recovered later.. o_o

and while he liked it, maybe it wasn't his most prized posession..

I mean o_O come on lol

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:46 am
by Tsukiyumi
haha i loved the priceless artifact.
Maybe Picard decided archeology wasn't really that interesting after all...

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:38 pm
by Deepcrush
I agree with Azreal on this.

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:39 am
by Tiberius
Captain Seafort wrote:The point about the Borg being able to withstand 78% damage was either a bog-up by the writers, or Shelby's analysis was wrong - the FC cube suffered a lot less than that before it blew up.
The part you saw was undamaged. However, the insides of the Cube coulda been just molten metal.

And if they blew up one of the power generators, it wouldn't need 80% to be damaged. After all, Voyager had a hell of a lot of damage in year of Hell, but that amount of damage to the warp core would be more than enough to destroy the entire ship.

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:10 am
by Tsukiyumi
And if they blew up one of the power generators, it wouldn't need 80% to be damaged.
Agreed. It must have been something vital, IMO.

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:19 am
by Azrael
Which is why picard took command, and had them focus fire on that point.. lol

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:41 am
by Captain Seafort
Hence, you wouldn't need to destroy 78% of the ship, hence Shelby was wrong - the Borg are just as vulnerable to the single-point-of-failure sydrome as Starfleet. Dark Frontier demonstrated this even better - minor damage to part of a scout and the whle ship blew up.

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:53 am
by Tsukiyumi
Right. Even the Borg have key systems; they're probably disguised as minor systems, but if you know where to strike, you can cripple or destroy them. Sort of like hitting an ammo magazine on a modern warship.

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:21 am
by Captain Seafort
In which case the extensive redundancy of Borg ships would be a weakness - while modern warships can centralise their magazines and propulsion, and so protect them better, the Borg can't. Given the powder-keg nature of Trek power generation, that isn't a good idea - they're simply making it easier for their opponents to score a fatal hit.

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:22 pm
by Deepcrush
Wow, you guys really found a good point here!

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:15 pm
by Tsukiyumi
Perhaps that's why the Transphasic torpedoes took out one cube with two hits, and another with only one hit. Maybe they're designed to exploit the Borg tendency to scatter numerous vital systems all over the place (they might just spread damage over a larger area, hoping to hit one of these 'don't press this button' systems).

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 10:27 am
by Sionnach Glic
That's quite possible. Particularly once you take into acount the fact that they seemed to take different numbers of torps to take down.

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:16 pm
by Captain Seafort
Perhaps their targeting systems were designed to home in on Borg power generator signatures, in a similar way to how Spock and McCoy's modified torpedo homed in on the plasma wake of Chang's BoP.

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:50 pm
by Tsukiyumi
I was thinking that same thing, though obviously the yield is significantly higher than a quantum torpedo.

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:56 pm
by Captain Seafort
Tsukiyumi wrote:I was thinking that same thing, though obviously the yield is significantly higher than a quantum torpedo.
Why? Modern PGMs are usuall only one or two tons, but they can punch holes in bunkers that in WW2 would need a Tallboy or Grand Slam to take out. It's a matter of hitting the target in the right place.