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So whenever there's a Democrat in power, this stuff starts up again?

Sionnach Glic wrote:So whenever there's a Democrat in power, this stuff starts up again?

Sure seems like it, doesn't it. For whatever reason, Republican loons seem to be more violent (or advocate violence) then Democrat loons, who seem to be more interested in improving the lot of things that can't recognize themselves in the mirror.

The current economic situation and international piles of shit in which America is embroiled help encourage these cockroaches to come out into the light. Fear of a black man in charge is only an undercurrent.

Deepcrush wrote:I think I speak for most racists when I say "I thought he was half white?"

But really, its not the racists who are the problem.

Like 1/2 white, 1/4 asian, 1/4 black I thought.

Then again, I don't really have a problem with black people.

Half of them at any rate.

First off kudos to Seafort for keeping his brain turned on. I'm sure there are some racists out there, but that isn't what's making the press at the moment. For example in the article at the beginning of this thread letters are being sent to governors, the vast majority of whom are white.

As for the current press, in some cases I think they're just jumping on some of the nut jobs that are always around. However the whole libertarian thing has been growing for years here in the US. This from three primary causes as I understand it.


The first is the erosion of personal freedoms. Not that people are getting sent off to re-education camps or something like that. But things have been increasingly restrictive for some time. For example an increasingly thick pile of zoning regs mean I essentially can't put a freakin' shed in my own back yard. I don't think I can even use sparklers on the 4th of July in this state to say nothing of firecrackers. So on and so forth. I think that tends to bother the right more as they tend to be the sorts to actually own land, cars, have kids and such so that they have to deal with more of the BS. However the partial and threatened loss of some previously constitutionally protected rights have been really ticking off the right wing as of late, especially regarding guns, the ability to say the words "God" or "Jesus" in public (such as a during a graduation speech), and some other areas I could go into if you'd like.


The second is a growing frustration with the inability of our government, Republican or Democrat, to do anything about the fiscal death spiral we've been in for a long time. For ages we've known that our entitlement programs are simply impossible to fund unless we have some plague come through that wipes out the baby boomers. We're watching funds drain out and deficits rise as a result. However while I think most people understand the problem, they won't vote for a politician that wants to go after whatever bit of government cash they're personally raking in (and the old people are reliable voters) so no politician will touch it. Hence the increasing number of pseudo or actual Libertarian oriented third parties as people feel the two current parties are both heading towards national failure about the fiscal situation are reaching a panicked state. This because the expected massive inflation would ruin people, even if there isn't some form of collapse, hence why there are so many ads for Gold at the moment.

The third is taxes. Not really a new thing but you can usually get some people to be upset and rally behind opposing that.

Cpl Kendall wrote:

Sionnach Glic wrote:So whenever there's a Democrat in power, this stuff starts up again?

Sure seems like it, doesn't it. For whatever reason, Republican loons seem to be more violent (or advocate violence) then Democrat loons, who seem to be more interested in improving the lot of things that can't recognize themselves in the mirror.

It really is just a matter of which group feels something must be done now and that the electoral system is incapable of making changes they feel are necessary.

You saw the same thing in the 1960's and 70's with left leaning groups being the violent parties, making threats, killing people and so on.

This is really about the pending fiscal timebomb, as the previous poster said and the personal freedoms issue. The government has been creeping in on many freedoms for years and the pushback is going to keep getting worse. In every piece of legislation the people give up a bit of their freedom. Hell, the Healthcare bill mandates you purchase health insurance. You are being punished for exercising your right to not purchase something now. While it seems like a little step it is just another in a long line of things people are being asked to give up for the greater good. You will see pushback on a lot of things like this.

Again, from the outside point of view I'd say a big polarising trend started with Clinton. The right REALLY went after Clinton with a zeal that was almost obsessive. Yeah, the guy asked for it in a way by doing some dumb stuff and lying about it afterward. But the sheer venom he attracted seemed incredibly out of proportion.

And after that it seems to have gone a bit tit for tat. Bush came along and showed himself to be... well not exactly a stellar President perhaps is a kind way of putting it. But whilst I think there's a lot to justifiable criticise in Bush, the left just went nuts on him with a kind of "this is revenge for Clinton" mentality in a lot of it. A lot on the right felt that Bush was basically persecuted and blamed for every single bad thing in the world, and there's some justification to that.

And so when Obama won... the right turned around and did the exact same thing pretty much from day one.

The worrying thing is that the whole thing seems to escalate with each new President.

GrahamKennedy wrote:
The worrying thing is that the whole thing seems to escalate with each new President.

I agree and I think there are two primary drivers. I mean there's the fact that it works, but as far as I can tell political parties have been going after each other for long before I was born.

I think what bumps it up a notch is cable. Before most of the nation got their news from the same grey haired guys on the networks. Nowdays you've got people watching Fox News and the Daily show and so on and so forth. Making them lose anything resembling a balanced perspective, and even worse not realizing that they have done so.

The other thing is that you've got this general libertarianish trend in the country that doesn't really like either party for the reasons mentioned above. So while previously you'd have some section of the opposite side upset but most of the rest on board, now you've got a growing demographic that's pissed no matter who wins.

sunnyside wrote:...now you've got a growing demographic that's pissed no matter who wins.

May lead to a serious third party candidate in our lifetimes. Personally, I'd be interested.

Tsukiyumi wrote:

sunnyside wrote:...now you've got a growing demographic that's pissed no matter who wins.

May lead to a serious third party candidate in our lifetimes. Personally, I'd be interested.

Perhaps it'll be me... I wouldn't mind.

Tsukiyumi wrote:
May lead to a serious third party candidate in our lifetimes. Personally, I'd be interested.

Well, I hope to have a lifetime long enough to have a difficult time predicting what things will be like.

But in the near future I doubt there will be a serious third party candidate. The problem is that while the there are many more people with libertarianish stances, the actaul organized Libertarian (as in the actual Libertarian party or Mises ) government and economic models are nuts and aren't about to fly until after the country has collapsed, and probably not even than. The tea baggers are too fringe, and that's true of most of the growing groups.

I do think that it might be possible to get a non Dem or Republican in the office though. However it'd have to be someone out of the blue like Ross Perot who isn't saddled with some half baked party, and who can appeal to moderates and each of the Libertrainish groups as well as some Republicans and Democrats. He was leading in the polls for a while, so I do think it's possible. And increasingly so.

Did I not post a picture of Halle Berry and you bastards ignored it?

Tyyr wrote:Did I not post a picture of Halle Berry and you bastards ignored it?

You're behind - I have much better ones in the "Babes" thread.

This one was relevant to the current discussion and accompanied by what could be taken to be slightly racist comments. *Sigh*

Ah, originally for me it just said "image".