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Re: CF Reservist Shot Tentmate In "Self Defense"

Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:59 am
by Captain Picard's Hair
Tsukiyumi wrote:Sounds like a job for a battery of advanced lie detector tests.
Assuming they actually work...

Re: CF Reservist Shot Tentmate In "Self Defense"

Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:07 am
by Tsukiyumi
Captain Picard's Hair wrote:
Tsukiyumi wrote:Sounds like a job for a battery of advanced lie detector tests.
Assuming they actually work...
The new EEG tests show serious promise. And that's why I said "battery", as in ten of them or more. It would at least suggest how truthful the guy is being.

Re: CF Reservist Shot Tentmate In "Self Defense"

Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:04 am
by Sionnach Glic
When they found the guy's body, was his gun actualy loaded?

Re: CF Reservist Shot Tentmate In "Self Defense"

Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:26 am
by Tsukiyumi
Rochey wrote:When they found the guy's body, was his gun actualy loaded?
Good question.

Re: CF Reservist Shot Tentmate In "Self Defense"

Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:12 pm
by Nickswitz
I wonder if anyone checked.

If the guy who was killed had PTSD he could have just grabbed the gun without loading or even caring and thought the other man was an enemy combatant, so, he may have pulled an empty pistol on the guy.

Re: CF Reservist Shot Tentmate In "Self Defense"

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:39 pm
by Mark
Call Special Agent Gibbs and his team. They'll figure it out.

Otherwise, they are screwed. How can they prove beyond a reasonable doubt this guy is guilty?

Re: CF Reservist Shot Tentmate In "Self Defense"

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:19 pm
by Nickswitz
Mark wrote:Call Special Agent Gibbs and his team. They'll figure it out.
Love that show...

Re: CF Reservist Shot Tentmate In "Self Defense"

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:32 pm
by Sionnach Glic
Which show is that?

Re: CF Reservist Shot Tentmate In "Self Defense"

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:48 pm
by Aaron
Nickswitz wrote:I wonder if anyone checked.

If the guy who was killed had PTSD he could have just grabbed the gun without loading or even caring and thought the other man was an enemy combatant, so, he may have pulled an empty pistol on the guy.
Uh, PTSD doesn't work like that dude.

Re: CF Reservist Shot Tentmate In "Self Defense"

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:52 pm
by Nickswitz
Cpl Kendall wrote:
Nickswitz wrote:I wonder if anyone checked.

If the guy who was killed had PTSD he could have just grabbed the gun without loading or even caring and thought the other man was an enemy combatant, so, he may have pulled an empty pistol on the guy.
Uh, PTSD doesn't work like that dude.
It can... IDK if it's PTSD or another stress related malady, but one of them makes you basically think your in a dangerous position even if you are home and safe. It's usually agitated by visual or audio cues, sometimes olfactory cues as well...

Re: CF Reservist Shot Tentmate In "Self Defense"

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:53 pm
by Nickswitz
Rochey wrote:Which show is that?
The show is called NCIS, it's about NAVY cops, basically.

Re: CF Reservist Shot Tentmate In "Self Defense"

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:57 pm
by Aaron
Nickswitz wrote: It can... IDK if it's PTSD or another stress related malady, but one of them makes you basically think your in a dangerous position even if you are home and safe. It's usually agitated by visual or audio cues, sometimes olfactory cues as well...
Yes PTSD does that (I happen to have it BTW) but it rarely, rarely ever manifests itself until your safely home. And it does not make your buddy who is likely not wearing a man dress appear as an enemy combatant, and given that it's not mentioned that either of them had it plus their young age and lack of previous tours...well that leads me to believe that's not what's going on here.

Re: CF Reservist Shot Tentmate In "Self Defense"

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:04 am
by Nickswitz
Yes, I realize that it wasn't mentioned, however isn't it only able to be seen through a psych exam, if so, then you really can't tell if the dead guy had it.

Re: CF Reservist Shot Tentmate In "Self Defense"

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:08 am
by Aaron
Nickswitz wrote:Yes, I realize that it wasn't mentioned, however isn't it only able to be seen through a psych exam, if so, then you really can't tell if the dead guy had it.
A very extensive series of exams yes, let me ask you something; what makes you think the guy might have had it? Nothing in the article suggests it, nobody mentions odd behaviour or anything else that might hint at it. Frankly it's far more likely that the two are just idiots.

Re: CF Reservist Shot Tentmate In "Self Defense"

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:16 am
by Nickswitz
Cpl Kendall wrote:Frankly it's far more likely that the two are just idiots.
I agree with that, however, I am thinking it based on an article I read a few years back about PTSD causing a lot of friendly fire after the battles, and this reminded me of it. That said, I don't have that article available.