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Re: The 8 Most Shamefully Stupid Star Trek: TNG Episodes

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:58 am
by Captain Picard's Hair
What's this about Data being shot with an arrow, though? I don't recall that (probably because it's in one of those eps I usually skip)

Re: The 8 Most Shamefully Stupid Star Trek: TNG Episodes

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:03 am
by Lazar
It was in "Qpid".

Re: The 8 Most Shamefully Stupid Star Trek: TNG Episodes

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:15 am
by Captain Picard's Hair
Thought so... that's one of those I usually skip for some reason (I know it has some funny moments - "Sir I protest, I am not a merry man!")

It's possible his structure changed between then and FC (though unlikely) - or that it's an anomaly caused by being in a Q generated fantasy (sounds like a cop-out but it's still reasonable given the nature of the Q's abilities). Mainly, though, it is funny. :)

Re: The 8 Most Shamefully Stupid Star Trek: TNG Episodes

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:36 am
by Tsukiyumi
How do we know Data didn't take any damage from the gunfire in FC? It might have just hit a bunch of internal plating or non-vital systems.

Re: The 8 Most Shamefully Stupid Star Trek: TNG Episodes

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:19 pm
by Captain Picard's Hair
Tsukiyumi wrote:How do we know Data didn't take any damage from the gunfire in FC? It might have just hit a bunch of internal plating or non-vital systems.
Troi shot him with one arrow; the shooters in FC shot a fair amount more than one round (each of which I'd imagine was much more energetic than Troi's arrow). Perhaps Troi hit an unshielded non-vital area while Data's more vital areas are more shielded, or nothing in Data's trunk that would have gotten swiss-cheese-ified was vital. Seems like a big coincidence in the latter case.

Re: The 8 Most Shamefully Stupid Star Trek: TNG Episodes

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:26 pm
by Tsukiyumi
No doubt; I'm just suggesting the possibility. :)

It's also possible that he was reinforced between Q-pid and FC.

Re: The 8 Most Shamefully Stupid Star Trek: TNG Episodes

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:29 pm
by Captain Picard's Hair
Perhaps reinforced specifically for the danger of Earth in FC? He generally wouldn't have had to expect much gunfire wherever else he's been, but here...

Should we move to have swiss-cheese-ified added to the dictionaries? 8)

Re: The 8 Most Shamefully Stupid Star Trek: TNG Episodes

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:34 pm
by Mikey
Perhaps the piercing nature of the arrow was able to penetrate where the impact-oriented nature of the bullets was not, especially considering the "mushroom" effect of bullets hitting a high-tech alloy such as Data's chest.

It's a stretch, I know, but better than nothing...

Re: The 8 Most Shamefully Stupid Star Trek: TNG Episodes

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:12 pm
by Praeothmin
The arrow also had a smaller penetrating area, meaning most of its kinetic energy was concentrated on the point, whereas the bullets, being rounder, has their energy distributed over a larger area (not much large, but perhaps the difference between penetration and non-penetration).

Re: The 8 Most Shamefully Stupid Star Trek: TNG Episodes

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:15 pm
by Mikey
Praeothmin wrote:The arrow also had a smaller penetrating area, meaning most of its kinetic energy was concentrated on the point, whereas the bullets, being rounder, has their energy distributed over a larger area (not much large, but perhaps the difference between penetration and non-penetration).
I was thinking of that, too, but I figured that the concentration of KE onto a smaller impact area for the arrow would be offset by the smaller total amount of KE in the projectile compared to a bullet from an M911.

Re: The 8 Most Shamefully Stupid Star Trek: TNG Episodes

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:20 pm
by Captain Seafort
Especially given that Lilly wasn't using anything as weak as a pistol - it was an SMG or carbine, that I believe Graham's identified. As what, I can't remember.

Re: The 8 Most Shamefully Stupid Star Trek: TNG Episodes

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:14 pm
by Mikey
It was a Calico M911.

Re: The 8 Most Shamefully Stupid Star Trek: TNG Episodes

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:18 pm
by Captain Seafort
Ah, right ho. For some reason I misread your post as M1911

Re: The 8 Most Shamefully Stupid Star Trek: TNG Episodes

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:21 am
by Bryan Moore
Tsukiyumi wrote:
katefan wrote:...Wouldn't Picard's artificial heart have blown through his chest, too large for his adolescent rib cage?
Bah, the writers can't be bothered with trivialities like previously established details. :?
Good call! That would have been quite funny.

Re: The 8 Most Shamefully Stupid Star Trek: TNG Episodes

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:27 am
by Bryan Moore
Forgive the off-topicness of this, but I'm sorta surprised with TNG being on in the late 80's, and us getting a cornball anti-drug episode and other very dated plots with a message, that we didn't get an episode dealing with mental handicaps, possibly guest starring the guy from Life Goes On. I mean every other major show had at least one episode dealing with someone with mental retardation. I know we got Mot the Barber, who just might be a few sandwhiches short of a picnic basket, but I really would have enjoyed Geordi trying to explain why the plasma torch wasn't a toy or perhaps a security personel with a hockey helmet and Scooby-Doo lunch box. I mean, it couldn't have been much worse than Starfleet infantry tactics.

Okay, I'll stop being offensive.