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Re: How did Khan survive?
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:14 am
by Mark
Kahn's ego. How sweet it would have been for him to see "regular" humans fail miserably and die in an enviornment in which he led his people through and survived. He likely considered that, "poetic". His actions actually make perfect sense to me, as I understand him.
Re: How did Khan survive?
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:28 am
by RK_Striker_JK_5
Mark wrote:Terell said they were marooned on Ceti Alpha V. And at the end of ST II they were going to pick them up, IIRC.
Yes, but the question is if they survived the interim. How'd they ascertain they were still alive at the end of WOK?
Re: How did Khan survive?
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:38 am
by Mark
I don't think that they did. How long would they have been on that planet? A few days no problem. A few weeks, however, and people would have long since started dying off.
Re: How did Khan survive?
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:58 am
by Aaron
To Reign In Hell: The Exile Of Khan Noonien Singh does an excellent job of filling in the blanks of the exile. Basically they survived in caves and tunnels they dug under the cargo containers and farmed rice and vegtables from the crops they saved after the biosphere collapsed. They also suffered enormous attrition from the eels.
BTW: There's nothing in canon saying the Reliant was staffed by scientists. We all know that the Fleet pulls double duty.
Re: How did Khan survive?
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:04 am
by Mark
Why would Reliant be staffed by scientists? She was a Starfleet deep space exploration vessel assigned to the Regula One science research post. She would have had a regular Starfleet crew, as evidenced by both Chekov and Mr. Kyle being on board.
Re: How did Khan survive?
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:18 pm
by Teaos
Basically they survived in caves and tunnels they dug under the cargo containers and farmed rice and vegtables from the crops they saved after the biosphere collapsed.
How do you grow plants in a cave? They need natural light ect.
Re: How did Khan survive?
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:26 pm
by Aaron
Teaos wrote:
How do you grow plants in a cave? They need natural light ect.
With the lights and power supplies that Kirk left them, which included some type of long running generator.
Edit: Ever hear of hydroponics? There's all kinds of stuff available now to grow plants indoors, including lights.
Re: How did Khan survive?
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:46 pm
by Captain Picard's Hair
Teaos wrote:Basically they survived in caves and tunnels they dug under the cargo containers and farmed rice and vegtables from the crops they saved after the biosphere collapsed.
How do you grow plants in a cave? They need natural light ect.
They need light, which can come from any source. They had hydroponics bays on DS9 and Voyager and an arboretum on E-D.
Re: How did Khan survive?
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:02 pm
by Sionnach Glic
Yeah, it's not too hard to imagine how Khan and co. survived, but it wouldn't be an easy existance.
Re: How did Khan survive?
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:35 pm
by Mithrandir
Rochey wrote:Yeah, it's not too hard to imagine how Khan and co. survived, but it wouldn't be an easy existance.
No wonder the guy was quite...disgruntled.
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Re: How did Khan survive?
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:00 pm
by kostmayer
My Wife is dead, I only have Moby Dick to read, and - dammit! Mushroom Pie with Fungi sauve for dinner again?
Re: How did Khan survive?
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 8:47 pm
by Mark
kostmayer wrote:My Wife is dead, I only have Moby Dick to read, and - dammit! Mushroom Pie with Fungi sauve for dinner again?
That would turn me into a homicidal maniac as well.
Re: How did Khan survive?
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 8:50 pm
by Aaron
Mark wrote:
That would turn me into a homicidal maniac as well.
I'm sure the rebellion against his rule didn't help much either.
Re: How did Khan survive?
Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:16 am
by RK_Striker_JK_5
Cpl Kendall wrote:To Reign In Hell: The Exile Of Khan Noonien Singh does an excellent job of filling in the blanks of the exile. Basically they survived in caves and tunnels they dug under the cargo containers and farmed rice and vegtables from the crops they saved after the biosphere collapsed. They also suffered enormous attrition from the eels.
BTW: There's nothing in canon saying the Reliant was staffed by scientists. We all know that the Fleet pulls double duty.
Yeah, an excellent novel. No wonder Khan was so obsessed at the end...
I do wonder, though. What would've happened if Ceti Alpha XI
didn't explode? What would the
Reliant have found then?
Re: How did Khan survive?
Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:23 am
by Mark
They would have found Ceti Alpha VI. Remember, they were looking for Ceti Alpha VI not V. They mistook V for VI.