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Rochey wrote:The PD, in theory, is an excelent idea. Preventing captains from doing whatever they like with races that can't stop them is a must for any space-faring organisation. In TOS that's how it was treated: a way to stop people f*cking around with other races, while still allowing leeway for some situations that call for intervention.

In TNG, however, the PD was taken to the extreme. You could no longer get involved at all, regardless of what the situation was. This meant that not only were crews forced to sit back and watch entire species get wiped out, but they called it moral to do so.
An interesting observation which suggests that by the TNG time the Federation had become pretty elitist and relativist to the point of being amoral. I like how you can see an evolution from a more moral-minded, exception-oriented TOS Federation to a 24th century one that is so used to their comfortable chairs and perfectly peaceful Earth that they condemn their own people to opression (Cardassians and the Maquis, addressed beautifully by Captain Sisko) and consider letting planets be destroyed rather than interfere in a way that DOES NOT AT ALL affect the development of the planet. Obviously, this is why the Federation in TOS was willing to stop the asteroid from destroying the planet in The Paradise Syndrome.
We also, of course, get to see the Federation's principles decay to the point of being nonexistent. The Prime Directive seems to go along with this trend.
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Interesting observation. Can't say as I completely agree, but I don't completely DISAGREE either. :mrgreen:
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I don't believe the modern day Prime Directive is at all "wrong" in and of itself, but because it is not followed and there does not seem to be a system of punishment if it is violated, it opens up such a huge can of worms. I many ways, I can see Kirk's actions in certain societies as reason enough for the Federation to strenghten this Prime Directive and go to the extremes. I sort of see it as a tipping of the scales from one extrme to the other. If, like seemingly every other political trend, modern conditions post-Dominion war might allow for an easing up of this P.D. We can only assume that the Dominion had invaded/influenced pre-warp civilizations in their romp across the galaxy, and I would not be surprised if the Federation were to change some provisions where they could help out these people.
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Bryan Moore wrote:I don't believe the modern day Prime Directive is at all "wrong" in and of itself, but because it is not followed and there does not seem to be a system of punishment if it is violated, it opens up such a huge can of worms. I many ways, I can see Kirk's actions in certain societies as reason enough for the Federation to strenghten this Prime Directive and go to the extremes. I sort of see it as a tipping of the scales from one extrme to the other. If, like seemingly every other political trend, modern conditions post-Dominion war might allow for an easing up of this P.D. We can only assume that the Dominion had invaded/influenced pre-warp civilizations in their romp across the galaxy, and I would not be surprised if the Federation were to change some provisions where they could help out these people.
That would seem to line up nicely with Kirk-era Federation policy regarding pre-warp societies caught between loyalties to the Klingons on Federation. In Errand of Mercy, Friday's Child, and A Private Little War, there appears to be no problem with interfering DIRECTLY in the internal affairs of such societies so long as it furthers Federation interests against the Klingons. Presumably the Klingons made contact first.
I think this would apply with the Dominion and pre-warp planets they contacted.
This also is supported by Nemesis and the contact (i.e. killing) with the inhabitants of Kolarus III, who were stated to be "pre-industrial," and the 2 explanations might be that the Federation suspected that the Romulans had been there and already interfered. Plus, they probably didn't think they were coming.
Still, that was really disheartening. Why didn't Patrick Stewart, at least, complain about that part of the movie? Any ideas?
Hey, Picard's Mintakan tapestry also didn't appear in the movie. Perhaps Starfleet abandoned the Directive altogther. (Doubt it.)
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Or maybe Picard just decided "fuck the PD, dune buggies rock".
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Especially ones with BFGs 8)
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Well, as we all know, by TNG the PD was a matter of individual interpretation at best, and individual decisions to trash it at worst.
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You just needed to have appropriate rank and status in the good ol boys club.
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Rochey wrote:Or maybe Picard just decided "f**k the PD, dune buggies rock".
At the very least Stuart Baird did.
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Can't blame him. I want one of those too!!!
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In that particular case, it was better for them to have a minor skirmish with aliens in a dune buggy than to have a working Soong-type android, IMO.
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And why couldn't they just wait for that electrical storm, or whatever the plot device of the week was, to pass and then beam the parts up?
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Because this is Starfleet, perhaps. :?
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Rochey wrote:And why couldn't they just wait for that electrical storm, or whatever the plot device of the week was, to pass and then beam the parts up?
Dude, they had a naked wedding to get to. Duh. :lol:
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If they beamed the parts up, Picard couldn't have gone dune buggying! 8)
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