Principle harrases homosexual students

[Aaron]

Ahh, the South. Let me guess this guy is also a good god fearing xtian as well?

[Teaos]

The princibal is a woman suprisingly.

[Aaron]

The princibal is a woman suprisingly.

Definetly not the first female homophobic I've heard of or met.

[Jim]

I just love how it is politically correct to blast people and not tollerate people that are considered non-politically correct because they show intollerance to others. The hypocracy makes me smile.

[sunnyside]

I just love how it is politically correct to blast people and not tollerate people that are considered non-politically correct because they show intollerance to others. The hypocracy makes me smile.

Surprising I don't run into this justification all that much. Well I suppose it isn't really a justification. Just a mental twist that attempts to say "Either you support my right to not send that fag on that field trip or you're a hypocrite"

[Jim]

I just love how it is politically correct to blast people and not tollerate people that are considered non-politically correct because they show intollerance to others. The hypocracy makes me smile.

Surprising I don't run into this justification all that much. Well I suppose it isn't really a justification. Just a mental twist that attempts to say "Either you support my right to not send that fag on that field trip or you're a hypocrite"

Please not that I was not commenting specifically on what that principal did. It was more a general observation.

I do not have anything major agaist any "group" so maybe I look at it a little differently. Naturally, a lot on intollerance comes from a pure lack of education and/or lack of being privy to a thing. (if you have never seen two guys kissing before, it might startle you at first) However, sometimes it IS hardwired. Why do people not like onions? Maybe the same reason some people don't like green eyes. What makes one person pick religion a while another picks religion b? It can just be internal chemistry.

Personally, I consider people like the KKK to be total morons that should not be allowed to reproduce. However, I feel that they have the "right" to believe/feel what they do just as the people they "hate" have the "right" to believe/feel what they do.

I am also not talkign about violence towards one group from another. Action like that is different than opinion.

[Duskofdead]

I do not have anything major agaist any "group" so maybe I look at it a little differently. Naturally, a lot on intollerance comes from a pure lack of education and/or lack of being privy to a thing. (if you have never seen two guys kissing before, it might startle you at first) However, sometimes it IS hardwired. Why do people not like onions? Maybe the same reason some people don't like green eyes. What makes one person pick religion a while another picks religion b? It can just be internal chemistry.

Hardwired is an excuse. Discrimination in the bigoted sense when it comes to people is a learned behavior, through and through. By adulthood tests and studies are able to find all kinds of biases in how people prioritize race when looking at pictures or groups of people or making decisions, but in early childhood they're unable to meaningfully show any in-born tendency to do the same.

Personally, I consider people like the KKK to be total morons that should not be allowed to reproduce. However, I feel that they have the "right" to believe/feel what they do just as the people they "hate" have the "right" to believe/feel what they do.

I respect their "right" to have their opinion. I don't respect their "right", or that of any similar group (Falwell's organization comes to mind) to do things like oh I dunno... show up at the funerals of black people or gay people, or black leaders or gay leaders, or politicians who worked for social progress for blacks or gays or whatever the case is, and drag a media crew onto the grieving family with all kinds of hateful signs and what not. If I had shown up at Charlton Heston's funeral with a "God hates racists" poster or Falwell's with a "God hates homophobic fat white men" poster and called a media crew, you'd have the right to call it hypocritical.

[sunnyside]

I don't think racism is hardwired, at least in children, though I suppose some bit of homophobia might be.

I mean we've got internal hard wireing that generally says things like "don't have sex with your sister" so some "don't have sex with guys" wiring makes some sense. I'll even admit to having something of an "Eww" reaction a couple times.

However that's different than acting on something, as is verbally supporting those actions.

[Sionnach Glic]

I just love how it is politically correct to blast people and not tollerate people that are considered non-politically correct because they show intollerance to others. The hypocracy makes me smile.

How is it hypocritic to call people assholes when they're being assholes?

[Duskofdead]

I don't think racism is hardwired, at least in children, though I suppose some bit of homophobia might be.

I mean we've got internal hard wireing that generally says things like "don't have sex with your sister" so some "don't have sex with guys" wiring makes some sense. I'll even admit to having something of an "Eww" reaction a couple times.

However that's different than acting on something, as is verbally supporting those actions.

I have no idea why that would be anymore hardwired than racism given that children do not have a "sexuality" nor the level of development to get one. My guess would be that any pre-adolescent person already "hard set" in terms of I like girls/boys, the other is ick, my sister is gross may really feel that way, but it's a mirroring of social programming they've been receiving since birth, it's not hardwired. An actual hardwired "hormonal/chemical" reaction wouldn't even be possible before puberty, and I think even after puberty, 70% of the reaction is social/psychological.

[sunnyside]

I would expect any real "ick" reactions to develop around puberty. Certainly a lot of stuff is hardwired. I mean sexual drives are very very real. And I think some "ick" responses like don't do your sister come up naturally. Similarily some other reactions to guid you to successful procreations could also be in there.

But we're also hardwired to react to someone being really really ugly. That doesn't give you the right to say. "No you can't go on the field trip, you're just do darn ugly!"

[Mikey]

This is an entirely subjective reaction, admittedly, but I have a hard time believing that there is some Chomsky mechanism to incur bigotry. I don't think we are "hardwired" to react to ugliness, because we are not "hardwired" to define it; rather, that definition and subsequent bias are socialized into us.

[Duskofdead]

I would expect any real "ick" reactions to develop around puberty. Certainly a lot of stuff is hardwired. I mean sexual drives are very very real. And I think some "ick" responses like don't do your sister come up naturally. Similarily some other reactions to guid you to successful procreations could also be in there.

But we're also hardwired to react to someone being really really ugly. That doesn't give you the right to say. "No you can't go on the field trip, you're just do darn ugly!"

Sexual drives are very real but IMHO the extremely strong "ick" reaction is entirely social. When you are not interested in someone physically... either an ugly member of the gender you like, or a member of the gender you don't like, there is simply the lack of an arousal reaction. Flying off and getting ill at the stomach or a cold sweat or freaking out I believe is socially programmed... we have to make sure others know we're not interested in that. The tribe might make fun of us.... you like the fat girl, you like the fat girl, you like the fat girl....

I think, from an aesthetic point of view, both men and women derive visual pleasure in seeing goodlooking men and women. Women tend to be more open about this than men are. I think this is separate from sexual attraction but people are so socially programmed to be afraid that they are one and the same, that you will very rarely get people to admit it. Usually the way you can spot it is indirectly-- someone being jealous, for example, of someone of the same gender.

[Jim]

I don't think racism is hardwired, at least in children, though I suppose some bit of homophobia might be.

I mean we've got internal hard wireing that generally says things like "don't have sex with your sister" so some "don't have sex with guys" wiring makes some sense. I'll even admit to having something of an "Eww" reaction a couple times.

However that's different than acting on something, as is verbally supporting those actions.

Restate: I do not care if people are (insert "minority" group here)...

Thecnically, hetro sex with non relatives should be hardwired using this logic (only): Animal life has one purpose... to procreate. If a trait does not aid in procreation... it drops off the evolutional ladder. Sex with siblings is hard wired not to happen because the animals that do that do not have healthy offspring (over time) and therefore those offspring do not procreate and that trait dies off. Obviously same-sex animal couples would not procreate AT ALLl so that trait would die off as well.

But again, I am of a mind that whatever floats your boat is fine...

[Jim]

I just love how it is politically correct to blast people and not tollerate people that are considered non-politically correct because they show intollerance to others. The hypocracy makes me smile.

How is it hypocritic to call people assholes when they're being assholes?

What I meant is that Person A does not like Person B beacuse of what Person B "is". Person C does not like Person A because PA is a bigot/racist/etc (Is, that is what Person A is).

Everyone is fine with Person C not liking Person A for what he is, but
they are not fine with Person A not liking Person B for what he is.

I thried to get that to line up so the comparison was visual as well. That is where the hypocracy comes in.