The Constitution class starship.

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:27 am

Mikey wrote:Now, if we could just get Starfleet to use vessels the way they're intended...

Fat chance of that - they'd probably send the Defiants off looking at interesting planets and have the Novas fighting battles. Both have been known to happen.

Post by **Teaos** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:21 am

Ships don't really get sent into situations they werent designed for. They seem to end up there.

Post by **Mikey** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:39 am

Well, it is true that plans last until the first shot is fired; however, Starfleet does seem to have a generally philosophy of using any ship for any role, even if the "multirole" capability of said ship is severely biased one way or the other.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:37 pm

Fat chance of that - they'd probably send the Defiants off looking at interesting planets and have the Novas fighting battles. Both have been known to happen.

Considering the Defiant ended up as Sisko's personal taxi througout the series, I don't have much hope of Starfleet getting any better with using their ships inteligently.

Post by **Mikey** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:19 pm

Considering the Defiant ended up as Sisko's personal taxi througout the series...

Hey, why not? It's only the most powerful, pund-for-pound, warship that Starfleet's ever devised - and a prototype initially at that! [/sarcasm]

Post by **Teaos** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:31 am

The Defiant wasn't really misused. It was placed at the disposal of DS9's commander for which it was ideally suited. Small so as to not waste a big ship while not in use but powerful enough to fufill the missions that would undoubtably pop up in such a strange place. Also the fact that Sisko helped design it and that was pretty much its run down cruise it all worked pretty well.

Post by **Tsukiyumi** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:00 am

Mikey wrote:Well, it is true that plans last until the first shot is fired

Nice paraphrase of Sun Tzu, Mikey.

Post by **Mikey** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:38 pm

Thank you.

And the Defiant was assigned to DS9 well before there was a war; at which assignment is was primarily used as an oversized Danube. That is a ship that should have been assigned to a battlegroup, patrol mission, or even just as an extra escort to ships attempting "aggressive negotiations."

Jim · Post by **Jim** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:11 pm

Mikey wrote:...at which assignment is was primarily used as an oversized Danube..

Eh, I think that is a bit of a stretch. I always thought it was put there as a bit of a warning. A "Don't tred on us" type thing. The DS9 area was rather hostile and I took the Defiant going there as a snake in the box. Almost like Dirty Harry standing there asking if he fired six or just five. Comitting a large ship would have been a waste of crew, but the Defiant packed the same power without the drain on resources.

Deepcrush · Post by **Deepcrush** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:31 pm

I like the defiant in that starfleet got a ship right! Not since the Neb have we seen that! 7 years people! It only took starfleet 7 years to get it right!

Jim · Post by **Jim** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:50 pm

Deepcrush wrote:I like the defiant in that starfleet got a ship right! Not since the Neb have we seen that! 7 years people! It only took starfleet 7 years to get it right!

You do not like the Akira in that roll?

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:42 pm

The Defiant is, by far, the smartest Starfleet design in service.

Post by **Teaos** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:07 pm

The Defiant is to wasteful to be a good design.

Also as I said DS9 was its shake down crusie. You cant just throw it right into a battle group for that.

Post by **Mikey** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:09 am

DS9 was the its permanent post until its destruction. That's not a shakedown; that's an assignment.

After O'Brien et.al. fixed it, it should have been given a proper shakedown, and then an assignment that made sense.[/i]

Post by **Teaos** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:14 am

DS9 needed a ship stationed there. Nothing makes more sense in that roll than a Defiant. Anythung bigger would be a waste and need to much crew. Any ship of similar or smaller size would not be powerful enough to do the missions needed.