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Blackstar the Chakat wrote:The lasers have different settings, and we did see the after effect of the lasers having vaporized a large amount of rock and metal. There's no logic in assuming that these identical weapons are different weapons.

We saw the after effects. We didn't see the process, thanks to the Talosians' mind-tricks. If we'd seen it, and it had be the same phaser effect as in WALGMO, then fine, but the fact is that we didn't . To assume the weapons are identical based on the after effects would be a daft as assuming that Davy Crocket and Grand Slam were identical weapons simply becuase they had a similar yield.

Captain Seafort wrote:

Blackstar the Chakat wrote:The lasers have different settings, and we did see the after effect of the lasers having vaporized a large amount of rock and metal. There's no logic in assuming that these identical weapons are different weapons.

We saw the after effects. We didn't see the process, thanks to the Talosians' mind-tricks. If we'd seen it, and it had be the same phaser effect as in WALGMO, then fine, but the fact is that we didn't . To assume the weapons are identical based on the after effects would be a daft as assuming that Davy Crocket and Grand Slam were identical weapons simply becuase they had a similar yield.

To assume that identical weapons with identical after effects use a different method to achieve it's goal is illogical

Blackstar the Chakat wrote:To assume that identical weapons with identical after effects use a different method to achieve it's goal is illogical

So if you saw a 50-foot crater from an atomic bomb, and a 50-foot crater from C-4, you'd assume that the weapons were identical?

Blackstar the Chakat wrote:To assume that identical weapons with identical after effects use a different method to achieve it's goal is illogical

What "identical weapons"? We never saw that thing used again after The Cage.

Blackstar the Chakat wrote:To assume that identical weapons with identical after effects use a different method to achieve it's goal is illogical

To assume that similar-LOOKING weapons with different effects are the same is what's illogical.

Tsukiyumi wrote:

Blackstar the Chakat wrote:To assume that identical weapons with identical after effects use a different method to achieve it's goal is illogical

So if you saw a 50-foot crater from an atomic bomb, and a 50-foot crater from C-4, you'd assume that the weapons were identical?

You're comparing apples and oranges. We're comparing identical weapons having identical effects. To my knowledge an atomic bomb is not identical to C-4. Also Atomic weapons have a radioactive side effect while to my knowledge C-4 does not.

What "identical weapons"? We never saw that thing used again after The Cage

These identical "lasers". One from "What little girls are made of", the second from "The Cage".

Cosmetically identical. That's all. They used lasers in "The Cage" - that's canon. YOU said that the later weapons could NOT be lasers, because of the effects. Therefore, the only indentity the two share is a likeness in appearance.

Mikey wrote:Cosmetically identical. That's all. They used lasers in "The Cage" - that's canon. YOU said that the later weapons could NOT be lasers, because of the effects. Therefore, the only indentity the two share is a likeness in appearance.

That would be adding an unknown. My theory says that these weapons are lasers in name only, something that fits the facts. You theory claims that two different weapons just happen to look alike, which is unlikely.

#1 - them being cosmetically similar isn't really that unlikely.

#2 - we call a phaser longarm a "rifle," even though it isn't technically a rifle. However, the naming convention you tehorize breaks down, because the show used different terminology as quickly as between "The Cage" and the series proper.

That would be adding an unknown.

What? No it doesn't. It says that weapon A which has been called a laser is a laser, and weapon B which has been called a phaser is a phaser. No unknowns are added at all.

My theory says that these weapons are lasers in name only, something that fits the facts.

Then if the weapon was a phaser, why did they call it a laser, and why did they suddenly without any indication switch to calling it a phaser?

You theory claims that two different weapons just happen to look alike, which is unlikely.

I've already shown why two different weapons may share the same appearance.

Mikey wrote: #2 - we call a phaser longarm a "rifle," even though it isn't technically a rifle.

Thank you for supporting my point

However, the naming convention you tehorize breaks down, because the show used different terminology as quickly as between "The Cage" and the series proper.

The Cage occurred at least several years before "Where No Man Has Gone Before". That's all it takes for a naming convention to change. A few years ago it was cellular phone, now its just a cell. It used to be Laptop rather then Notebook. Do you see my point?

weapon B which has been called a phaser is a phaser

when was it called a phaser? And if it was this would support my point that the weapon in "The Cage" is a phaser rather then this ridiculus notion that it's a laser.

I've already shown why two different weapons may share the same appearance.

No, you came up with an unrealistic theory that they used a laser pistol casing to build a phaser so that they required less training, which is incredibly unlikely. The weapon would have to handle differently with having different internal components.

Blackstar, when you said:

Blackstar wrote:we did see the after effect of the lasers having vaporized a large amount of rock and metal.

I assumed you were refering to this:



As for the damage done by the pistols:



The effects of TOS phasers always propagated across the entire object affected - they would have taken out the entire window, not just burned a hole in it.

Captain Seafort wrote:
As for the damage done by the pistols:



The effects of TOS phasers always propagated across the entire object affected - they would have taken out the entire window, not just burned a hole in it.

Actually, this picture supports my point. The material is clearly burned, and we know from "The Enemy Withen" that phasers have a heat setting capable of warming a rock to the point of glowing red. This actually supports that these are phasers, not some sort of laser.

But lasers also have the ability to burn things.

Actually, this picture supports my point. The material is clearly burned, and we know from "The Enemy Withen" that phasers have a heat setting capable of warming a rock to the point of glowing red. This actually supports that these are phasers, not some sort of laser

Hello? Did you not notice the point he made?

The effects of TOS phasers always propagated across the entire object affected - they would have taken out the entire window, not just burned a hole in it.

Adress that.