Are we pricing ourselves out of the war business?

[Sionnach Glic]

Weren't they just prototypes at that point though? You can't expect them to get everything right the first time around, especially if they have a limited budget

I don't expect them to get everything right, I expect them to simply get something right. That design is absolutely pathetic for combat purposes.

[sunnyside]

Weren't they just prototypes at that point though? You can't expect them to get everything right the first time around, especially if they have a limited budget

I don't expect them to get everything right, I expect them to simply get something right. That design is absolutely pathetic for combat purposes.

Those things had two jobs

1. Looking cool
2. Somehow being killable by a punk teenager with small arms.

Didn't do too bad a job there.

[Sionnach Glic]

Fair point.

[sunnyside]

Fair point.

Actually that's kinda rough for design constraints.

"Ok so we need you to make the first model of terminator."

"Awsome!"

"We figure legs hadn't been worked out so they'll have to be on treads"

"No problem they'll be even more badass and oppresive."

"Oh yeah and a kid has to be able to take them out with an SMG"

"Wait...What?"

[Blackstar the Chakat]

Weren't they just prototypes at that point though? You can't expect them to get everything right the first time around, especially if they have a limited budget

I don't expect them to get everything right, I expect them to simply get something right. That design is absolutely pathetic for combat purposes.

Well, I think it was more proof of concept type thing then actual combat.

[Sionnach Glic]

Prototypes tend to resemble the finished product in most cases. It's pointless to build a prototype, and then have the finished model looking nothing like it. Also, the fact that there were at least a few dozen of them looking exactly the same as one another would lead to the conclusion that they were designed to be fully operational. The fact that they were loaded with ammunition also points to this.
The T-1 sucks, plain and simple.

[Blackstar the Chakat]

Prototypes tend to resemble the finished product in most cases. It's pointless to build a prototype, and then have the finished model looking nothing like it. Also, the fact that there were at least a few dozen of them looking exactly the same as one another would lead to the conclusion that they were designed to be fully operational. The fact that they were loaded with ammunition also points to this.
The T-1 sucks, plain and simple.

Well, the ammunition is obviously for live fire tests. As for the rest, since I'm guessing your complaint is the armor, they may not have finished installing it or something.

[Sionnach Glic]

Well, the ammunition is obviously for live fire tests.

Ah, and they just happened to keep all these dozens of prototypes loaded with live rounds 24/7?
Are you seriously suggesting that they were stupid enough to take prototype robots, give them the ability to control themselves and then have them loaded at all times? That's a fracking disaster waiting to happen.

Moreover, the fact that all of them are identical and are fitted out with full armour further point to the fact that they are completed models rather than prototypes.

As for the rest, since I'm guessing your complaint is the armor, they may not have finished installing it or something.

The armour was quite clearly finished. You can tell that just by looking at the machine.

And anyway, the armour is not my only complaint.



The design is horrendous.
The entire weight of the machine is placed farther back than the tracks. You could probably disable that thing by giving it a good shove and watching it topple over.
The guns appear to be unable to aim up more than a few degrees, meaning anyone with an AK and a second-floor window could blast at it indefinitely with no fear of being shot at in return.
The guns itself are terrible choices for prolonged combat.
There doesn't appear to be much space to carry ammunition.
The threads are horribly exposed. An IED would leave one immobile.
The concept of stealth is completely alien to this design.
It's too big to enter buildings or narrow streets, meaning that any opponents who are unable to take one of these down could simply run and hide without fear of being followed.
Numerous wires and mechanical parts are exposed.
The mounts that attatch the guns to the machine itself are worryingly thin looking.
The head is also exposed and not too well protected. And as we saw in T3, disabling the head stops the machine from functioning.

Seriously, insurgents wouldn't be scared if the US deployed these things against them, they'd personaly thank everyone involved in the creation and deployment of them for giving them such horribly easy opponents.

[Blackstar the Chakat]

Ah, and they just happened to keep all these dozens of prototypes loaded with live rounds 24/7?
Are you seriously suggesting that they were stupid enough to take prototype robots, give them the ability to control themselves and then have them loaded at all times? That's a fracking disaster waiting to happen.

Did you not watch the movie? That was kindof the point.

[sunnyside]

Ah, and they just happened to keep all these dozens of prototypes loaded with live rounds 24/7?
Are you seriously suggesting that they were stupid enough to take prototype robots, give them the ability to control themselves and then have them loaded at all times? That's a fracking disaster waiting to happen.

I'll second that having it set up like that is the point of the movie if there is one. Hence the anti autonomous robot charities and coalitions.

Moreover, the fact that all of them are identical and are fitted out with full armour further point to the fact that they are completed models rather than prototypes.

I think they were supposed to be a first generation demo model. Like the SWORDS sent out to Iraq.

The entire weight of the machine is placed farther back than the tracks. You could probably disable that thing by giving it a good shove and watching it topple over.

I believe the thing is suppose to be a fold out design. Right there it's half folded. I think it's supposed to be able to tuck up into a closed position, or to be able to extend it's torso up so it's nearly vertical and centered over the tracks.

The guns appear to be unable to aim up more than a few degrees, meaning anyone with an AK and a second-floor window could blast at it indefinitely with no fear of being shot at in return.

I don't believe it came up but the are "wings" can swing out much further. If the engines will do it the guns could point straight up.

The guns itself are terrible choices for prolonged combat.

The whole point of gatling guns is for prolonged firing. If they're chain style than they won't jam the way guns that use gas to reload do.

The threads are horribly exposed. An IED would leave one immobile.
Numerous wires and mechanical parts are exposed.
The mounts that attatch the guns to the machine itself are worryingly thin looking.
The head is also exposed and not too well protected. And as we saw in T3, disabling the head stops the machine from functioning.

It isn't that heavily armored, an IED from the side would leave it destroyed. We don't see them taking a lot of fire, but their own weapons go right through thier franontal. For the record the current line up of such vehicles aren't well armored either and have components exposed. I believe it's due to the limited engine power and endurance they have to work with.

The concept of stealth is completely alien to this design.

Well you could paint it black. But again much of their point is being imposing. If you want an in world explenation it could be that the things are designed to scare foes into not trying something. Or to impress defence contractors.

It's too big to enter buildings or narrow streets, meaning that any opponents who are unable to take one of these down could simply run and hide without fear of being followed.

I'd have to be a pretty narrow street. But no without leg based technologies it'll be tricky operating in buildings. Again particularily if you want to be big.

Seriously, insurgents wouldn't be scared if the US deployed these things against them, they'd personaly thank everyone involved in the creation and deployment of them for giving them such horribly easy opponents.

Obviously T-800s would be better. However the T-1 would do alright for checkpoints. And guarding the open roads and deserts. They'd probably be fair for patrols assuming backup could come in. These things could roll around, get shot up, and the others could simply try to pin the insurgents in a buildings until other troops arive.

Not the best design. But I think the idea is that they're just getting some of these capabilities online. And again they had to be beatable by the heros in the show. So some comprimises had to be made.