A very sad first

[Tsukiyumi]

He wouldnt want Mexicao. To many Mexicans funnily enough.

I don't think there are any Mexicans left in Mexico. It's perfect timing - the agave fields are unguarded!

To the peyote mobile!

[Duskofdead]

And people still deny global warming is realy.

Oh yes, absolutely they do. This same news article is a topic thread on another forum (non-Trek) that I've been haunting lately. (Sorry, I have been cheating on you all.) And you should see some of the immediate kneejerk rejections of the idea that global warming could possibly be taken seriously by anyone with a brain that are out there. People are really indoctrinated that it's not real... cause you know... the fossil fuel industries and automotive industries say so. Well, some of them still do, anyway. And we all know the have the best interests of the human race, the ecosystem, and the planet at heart, naturally.

The status quo idea from the I-won't-be-swayed-by-fashionably-screw-the-system-fads-like-global-warming crowd seems to be that we're in a totally normal warming stage after the last ice age and that the breaking up of the ice caps was inevitable, regardless of the human race or any of the repercussions of anything it has done in the last few centuries, and that it's just a normal part of the cycle before we head into the next ice age.

[Teaos]

But even if it is natral dont they realise it will screw us anyway?

[Aaron]

But even if it is natral dont they realise it will screw us anyway?

A fair number of the deniers in the US are of the religious nutjob variety, they think the rapture will claim them before anything bad happens. Of course it was supposed to happen 1900+ years ago (depending on how long jeebus lived) so that's out the window.

[Mikey]

The fact is that there are knee-jerk reactions among the "green" crowd, too - people who scream that carbon dioxide is the worst thing in the world and that it's taking over our atmosphere when it still makes up less than 1% and when carbon monoxide, methane, etc., are all worse for the atmosphere; the same people who once told me (who am already all for legislation for cleaner industry, etc.) that ozone, once lost, will never be able to be recovered. That particular Sierra Club member was a bit crestfallen when I told her that she was probably right, the only way to recover any ozone would be the hugely unlikely event of ever having lightning. Unfortunately, when these people speak, it obscures the message of the environmental advocates who actually know what they're talking about.

As it stands, though, Teaos has the right of it - it really matters little to the deceased if he died of natural or artificial causes.

[Aaron]

The fact is that there are knee-jerk reactions among the "green" crowd, too - people who scream that carbon dioxide is the worst thing in the world and that it's taking over our atmosphere when it still makes up less than 1% and when carbon monoxide, methane, etc., are all worse for the atmosphere; the same people who once told me (who am already all for legislation for cleaner industry, etc.) that ozone, once lost, will never be able to be recovered. That particular Sierra Club member was a bit crestfallen when I told her that she was probably right, the only way to recover any ozone would be the hugely unlikely event of ever having lightning. Unfortunately, when these people speak, it obscures the message of the environmental advocates who actually know what they're talking about.

As it stands, though, Teaos has the right of it - it really matters little to the deceased if he died of natural or artificial causes.

When you boil it down in any argument, there's always a segment of lunatics at either end that ruin it. Look at PETA, they took the SPCA's platform and have set an impossible goal.

[Mikey]

When you boil it down in any argument, there's always a segment of lunatics at either end that ruin it. Look at PETA, they took the SPCA's platform and have set an impossible goal.

And have attached the stigma of lunacy to the animal rights movement. As we discussed about mainstream Christianity - the looniest ones are often the loudest ones.

[Teaos]

PETA... more evil than low fat ice cream.

[Sionnach Glic]

Pfft. PETA are just wannabe evil. The Diet Coke, if you will, of evil.

[Mikey]

Pfft. PETA are just wannabe evil. The Diet Coke, if you will, of evil.

No, they are actual evil in theory... it's just in execution that they become Evil Lite.

[Sionnach Glic]

That's what I mean by "wannabe evil". They wan't to be evil, but fail misserably.

[Tsukiyumi]

PETA always struck me as just a fairly lame excuse for people to get naked.

[Mikey]

PETA's naked?

[Tsukiyumi]

PETA's naked?

Seems like every time I turn around, they're doing another naked protest.

[Mikey]

About what? I could count on my hands and feet (maybe if I'm naked - I might have one over) the number of articles of clothing I own that were actually made from a dead animal.