Is it possible there won't be homosexuals in the future?

[stitch626]

Me 21. That 88 in Tribble years.

[Sonic Glitch]

see i beat MM&I!

in what manner? "youngest member" title?

[stitch626]

yep. i'm most definately the youngest. I think Graham is the oldest. not sure though. No offense if you aren't.

Really? How old is stitch?

I'm approximatly:
7670 days or
184080 hours or
11044800 minutes or
21 years old.

[Reliant121]

see i beat MM&I!

in what manner? "youngest member" title?

exactly ^_^

[Sonic Glitch]

see i beat MM&I!

in what manner? "youngest member" title?

exactly ^_^

Congratulations. I think you'll be holding that title for a while ...unless you know any preteens interested in Star Trek? {raises eyebrow like Spock}

[Reliant121]

i started when i was around 9. but i didnt use forums then.

[Duskofdead]

I'm jumping in really late without reading everything.

1. Where the heck does the idea come from that gay people can't or don't have children? The fact that many don't is more a factor of legal and social discrimination than that being gay means they wouldn't procreate, or have children. Lesbians doing artificial insemination is common, and gay men having "host mothers" or adopting is equally becoming common. And we will see more of it as social and legal discrimination decreases against gay people. If gay couples wound up disproportionately being the parents of adopted children rather than biological ones compared to the mainstream population then that's almost a type of win-win situation, isn't it?

2. Cured, with quotes or without, implies homosexuality is a disorder or disease and comparing it to Bashir's mental deficiencies is the same sort of - however unintentional - bigotry that the U.S. military uses when it categorizes homosexuality in the same group as mental illness or retardation as disqualifications for service.

3. The episode of DS9 with the female Ferengi crossdressing to work as a waiter for profit in Quark's bar implied strongly that homosexuality was neither unknown nor unaccepted in the Federation. Dax's conversation with "Pell" about Quark involved Dax commenting that it was obvious Pell loved Quark. When Dax asked Pell if Quark knew, and Pell replied "he doesn't even know I'm a woman", Dax said, in surprise, "you're a WOMAN?!" You'd hardly expect Dax to react as if the situation was totally normal if homosexuality was something that had been "cured" out of the Federation for centuries. Likewise, Dax's reassociation with a same-gender ex-spouse was not frowned upon for being homosexual in nature, but for breaking Trill taboos on reassociation with former life intimates.

4. If there was anything that could reverse or fix homosexuality and was offered or administered to anyone under an age of mature decisionmaking after giving express permission, I would call it genocidal. Ethnic cleansing might fit too, or maybe some term we don't have yet, but similar in nature. It's still trying to eliminate an undesirable minority lifestyle, genetics or set of values from a society and so would ultimately be no different from trying to remove a religious group, a caste, an ethnic group or anything else. In my mind it would be absolutely no different from trying to proactively change a fetus's skin melanin to make it appear to be a white baby.

[Duskofdead]

Yeah. Rochey is 28, Mikey, Graham, Ian, Sunny, Kendall, Colm and a few other are 30+. Deep and Granite are mid 20's and I'm early 20's.

The other guys are all 20> I think.

I'm 29.

[Mikey]

Wasn't there an ep or two of DS9 which showed Dax in (or on her way) lesbian relationships?

[Duskofdead]

Wasn't there an ep or two of DS9 which showed Dax in (or on her way) lesbian relationships?

Yes I alluded to that, with that scientist lady. And everyone saw it and their only concern was the trill taboo.

[Teaos]

That wasnt to show a better future. It was for ratings.

[Mikey]

That wasnt to show a better future. It was for ratings.

Of course it was. But the reasoning behind the writing doesn't preclude the in-universe implication.

[Reliant121]

I've been reading the first of the Titan novels (set aboard Titan ((duh))) and it features a Greek engineer who is gay. would that not indicate that they do exist?

then again it is EU so...yeh...

[Sonic Glitch]

I've been reading the first of the Titan novels (set aboard Titan ((duh))) and it features a Greek engineer who is gay. would that not indicate that they do exist?

then again it is EU so...yeh...

Spoiler Alert, the trill is also gay, and as a further spoiler the character of Sean Hawk from First Contact was supposed to be gay, but apparently the line(s?) were dropped.

[Duskofdead]

I've been reading the first of the Titan novels (set aboard Titan ((duh))) and it features a Greek engineer who is gay. would that not indicate that they do exist?

then again it is EU so...yeh...

Spoiler Alert, the trill is also gay, and as a further spoiler the character of Sean Hawk from First Contact was supposed to be gay, but apparently the line(s?) were dropped.

I heard that as well before the movie was in production. Although how they would have worked that into the storyline, I am not sure, unless someone just mentioned him going to Risa with so and so or something.