Cannon (or even semi cannon) evidence about the "fighte

[sunnyside]

I'm talking about what is labeled in DITL as the Peregrine class.

It seems that they are actually built as courier ships usedi n the Federation but not by starfleet. They were later modified to serve as fighters for the Maquis and Starfleet.
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Peregrine_class
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Federat ... ck_fighter

This doesn't seem such a crazy idea. We were throwing everything we had into the dominion war. Throwing ships into combat like outdated Mirandas. And I'm pretty sure I saw some Nova's in the mix as well. (Any Oberths?)

Having starfleet round up and arm up civilian craft isn't at all unprecidented. I think most armies in WWII outfitted civilian ships as makeshift escorts.

So besides this couries ship are there any other indications of something we would consider a "fighter" being used by any power? I can only think of the Cell ships from enterprise and the atmospheric craft you sometimes see used.

For example

[Mikey]

I don't know that we can say that the Peregrine-class wasn't a true fighter. Your Memory Alpha references contradict each other on that point, and the only canon reference to the name and its function as a courier do not reference a ship visually, or even identifiably. That reference may indicate that the Peregrine-class is a courier, but it certainly doesn't say that the name Peregrine actually refers to the same ship that we're thinking of.

[Teaos]

And I'm pretty sure I saw some Nova's in the mix as well. (Any Oberths?)

I'm almost positive there were no Nova's in DS9.

[Sionnach Glic]

I'd say it's more likely that the Maquis modified the fighter into a courier, rather than the other way around.

[Mikey]

I'd say it's more likely that the Maquis modified the fighter into a courier, rather than the other way around.

Agreed - the fighter "version" didn't really show a lot of evidence of being jury-rigged rather than integrated in design; and we saw a few occasions in DS9 in which the ship in question was fielded as a fighter specifically by Starfleet. I tend to doubt Starfleet would field in numbers a jury-rigged Maquis conversion.

[Teaos]

The marquis limited resourses would also make them more likely to make a ship multi role.

[sunnyside]

First I just remembered antother fighter we saw from voyager in Dragons Teeth.

The were considered to be outdated but "still deadly" tech wise.

But I think it does demonstrate the multishot capability of a modern starship pretty well. And Voyager was considered a pretty wimpy ship.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkjppuMKeVo

As for the Peregrine:

KIRA
(off readouts)
Hold on, I'm picking up a wide band
subspace transmission from a Lissepian
supply ship. They were just attacked
by a Maquis interceptor.

Odo quickly consults the runabout controls.

ODO
Long range sensors are detecting a
modified Peregrine Class courier
ship, lightly armed, one man crew,
bearing two-six-eight mark three-oh-
one.

KIRA
The Maquis use Peregrine Class courier
ships.
(off Odo's nod)
The Lissepians didn't sustain any
serious damage. I'm going after
him.

Though again we never get to see the thing supposidly they're using what we consider a Federation fighter in The Maquis part 2. Anybody remember that?

[Teaos]

How would they get these ships? Cant they buy them or build them?

[sunnyside]

How would they get these ships? Cant they buy them or build them?

You mean the Peregrines? It sounds like they're a Federation ship, but not necessarily a Starfleet one. So I'd imagine they could just buy or steel them relatively easy and then add some weapons.

On that note a pic from Maquis part 2



I'm pretty sure that's the same ship we later see hitting Dominion ships.

Of course it isn't named in the episode. For all we know that is a Starfury class fighter or whatever.

However the options I see are

1. The Maquis got ahold of mil spec starfleet fighters. And the Peregrine class is actually something else entirely.

2. The Federation's fighters are modified courier ships (possibly the modifications are done right at the producation facility during wartime).

[Mikey]

Hmmm... those attack ships from VOY: "Dragon's Teeth" could easily be larger than what we're thinking of, compared with the Intrepid-class herself. As fa as the other dialogue, etc.; that's exactly what our issue is - we know that there is a Peregrine-class, and that such a vessel was at least used by the Maquis as a courier. We also know that there was a Federation fighter which looked like the ship in the pic above. However, there is no canon correlating one with the other, or in fact with anything else either.

I would say that of the two options which Sunny proposes, both are easily possible - if we DO in fact call the fighter ship a Peregrine, it doesn't really much hurt anything. One can say that the Maquis-owned ones are couriers because that's how they're used, or that the Fed version has both courier and fighter variants. I think it's far more likely that the Maquis could end up with a few Fed ship-types and use them for alternate roles, than it is for the Feds to regularly field Maquis ships in fleet actions.

[sunnyside]

Well the Maquis aren't their own nation or something. And they don't have shipyards. All their Ships are either Federation or Bajoran in origional make. They just then modify them with whatever weapons they can find.

And you're a little corosed Mikey. The ship(the peregrine we don't neccesarily ever see) was recognized as a courier type class of vessel on sensors. It was modified to be a fighter by the Maquis.

Really I don't see the Maquis taking a military fighter and reconfiguring it to act like a courier. Not their style.

[Mikey]

Well the Maquis aren't their own nation or something. And they don't have shipyards. All their Ships are either Federation or Bajoran in origional make. They just then modify them with whatever weapons they can find.

Agreed 100%. It's what I've been saying all along, by way of saying that the Feds WOULDN'T field a Maquis design, but it would be the other way around.

And you're a little corosed Mikey. The ship(the peregrine we don't neccesarily ever see) was recognized as a courier type class of vessel on sensors. It was modified to be a fighter by the Maquis.

I don't know what "corosed" is, but all I'm saying is that if we want to, we CAN call the pictured fighter a Peregrine by simply positing that there is a production fighter variant of the Peregrine courier ship. There is no canon either way; but we have never heard of a different name for the pictured fighters, so this is as valid (or invalid ) as any other.

Really I don't see the Maquis taking a military fighter and reconfiguring it to act like a courier. Not their style.

I don't know how much "reconfiguration" would actually be involved, but the Maquis are in such a situation that if they need a courier, whatever ship is at hand will have to be made into a courier.

[Teaos]

While they dont have ship yards that is no reason to assume they couldnt make a ship the size of the Peregrine easily.

[sunnyside]

While they dont have ship yards that is no reason to assume they couldnt make a ship the size of the Peregrine easily.

While at first glance it would be possible they had the replicator tech required for something like that it seems dubious since they need to spend so much time and effort getting weapons.

That would indicate they're buying/steeling stock vessels and lack the means to produce weaponry for them.

Also, the cockpit of the fighter in the maquis episode.



Now I know that doesn't prove anything. But that doesn't look like the sort of cockpit I'd design for a vessel purposed designed to take a ride into the danger zone.

A courier however........

To be clear what I'm proposing is that in a moment of need the Federation decked out a courier ship line with weapons and used them as fighters.

Which would mean the Feds don't really have a purpose built fighter.

[stitch626]

Unless you count the Defiant as just a really big fighter... and bomber.