The Big Four.....

Duskofdead · Post by **Duskofdead** » Thu May 22, 2008 1:46 am

Teaos wrote:I still stand by my opinion that I'd rather fu*k a cheese grater than watch the garbage that is TOS.

OUCH. That hurts to even think about.

RK_Striker_JK_5 · Post by **RK_Striker_JK_5** » Thu May 22, 2008 3:08 am

Teaos wrote:I still stand by my opinion that I'd rather fu*k a cheese grater than watch the garbage that is TOS.

*Hands him a cheese greater* Have fun.

I can see good in all Trek. and there's parts of ENT that I like more than TOS, but there's some stuff that TOS has done better than the rest of Trek.

Post by **Tsukiyumi** » Thu May 22, 2008 3:12 am

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:
Teaos wrote:I still stand by my opinion that I'd rather fu*k a cheese grater than watch the garbage that is TOS.
*Hands him a cheese greater* Have fun.

I can see good in all Trek. and there's parts of ENT that I like more than TOS, but there's some stuff that TOS has done better than the rest of Trek.

I agree, though I'm one of the apparently few people who love all of the Star Wars movies, so maybe I'm crazy.

Post by **Mikey** » Thu May 22, 2008 4:17 am

You're not crazy... at least, not on that count.

I do too - I just love some more than others. The Star Wars films are like sex or pizza: some are better than others, but they're never truly bad.

RK_Striker_JK_5 · Post by **RK_Striker_JK_5** » Thu May 22, 2008 5:06 am

The fight scene in TPM was beautifully-choreographed. And Qui-Gon was the quintessential Jedi. Young Anakin was infinitely more tolerable than old Anakin and I felt Jake did a good job with him.

AOTC had a great Obi-Wan and kick-ass battle at the end on Geonosis. And Obi-Wan on Kamino hit a lot of right notes. And the ending, with the clonetroopers loading up, was very chilling and well-done.

ROTS and Order 66 was heart-breaking. And Obi-Wan against Anakin on Mustafar equally so. And the dual scene of Padme giving birth to the twins and Vader being 'birthed' from Anakin was great.

Post by **Teaos** » Thu May 22, 2008 6:19 am

And Qui-Gon was the quintessential Jedi.

Not really. The living force was not something most jedi followed.

Post by **Mikey** » Thu May 22, 2008 3:24 pm

I agree. The character was obviously distanced from the bulk of the Jedi's philosophy, but Neeson was able to do wonders with what would have otherwise been trite and hackneyed dialogue.

Post by **Teaos** » Thu May 22, 2008 3:25 pm

The idea of a hippie jedi doesnt sound like it would work to well.

Post by **Tsukiyumi** » Thu May 22, 2008 3:32 pm

Mikey wrote:...but Neeson was able to do wonders with what would have otherwise been trite and hackneyed dialogue.

Lucas can't write dialog to save his life. He's a great concept guy, but when it comes to the nuts-and-bolts of great writing, he doesn't have a clue.

Post by **Mikey** » Thu May 22, 2008 3:32 pm

Teaos wrote:The idea of a hippie jedi doesnt sound like it would work to well.

I think that it only makes sense that there are dissenting philosophies among the Jedi.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Thu May 22, 2008 4:48 pm

I'd find it rather implausable if there weren't various different beliefs. Hell, modern religions are split up over all sorts of things. It would only make sense that the Jedi, who are rather similar to a religious order, would have similar divisions.

RK_Striker_JK_5 · Post by **RK_Striker_JK_5** » Thu May 22, 2008 5:48 pm

Okay, correction.

Qui-Gon was, out of universe, what most people felt a Jedi should be. The stereotypical Jedi, as it was.

Post by **Mikey** » Thu May 22, 2008 6:07 pm

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Okay, correction.

Qui-Gon was, out of universe, what most people felt a Jedi should be. The stereotypical Jedi, as it was.

Excellent analysis. Qui-Gon's philosophy of "the living force" seems to be intuitively what most "laymen" would think of as the Jedi philosophy.

RK_Striker_JK_5 · Post by **RK_Striker_JK_5** » Thu May 22, 2008 7:42 pm

Mikey wrote:
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Okay, correction.

Qui-Gon was, out of universe, what most people felt a Jedi should be. The stereotypical Jedi, as it was.
Excellent analysis. Qui-Gon's philosophy of "the living force" seems to be intuitively what most "laymen" would think of as the Jedi philosophy.

Oh, thank you.

Rochey wrote:I'd find it rather implausable if there weren't various different beliefs. Hell, modern religions are split up over all sorts of things. It would only make sense that the Jedi, who are rather similar to a religious order, would have similar divisions.

well, there are different Force 'cults', for lack of a better term. Not Jedi, but not Dark Siders either:

The Jensaarai

The Iron Knights-which are a hundred kinds of cool and two hundred kinds of awesome

The Witches of Dathomir

And that's off the top of my head.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Thu May 22, 2008 8:06 pm

Qui-Gon was, out of universe, what most people felt a Jedi should be. The stereotypical Jedi, as it was.

Agreed.

The Big Four.....

Who is the '4' in the A&B ''big four''