Constitution numbers

stitch626 · Post by **stitch626** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:57 am

Perhaps there were other large ships from member planets other than Earth. Maybe Vulcan and Andor (or whatever it was called) and all of the others had their own ships.

Post by **Teaos** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:10 am

I believe it is in the founding constitution (the document) that member races must contribute to star fleet.

I also doubt the Federation would allow independent navy. To muh of a risk to stability.

stitch626 · Post by **stitch626** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:20 am

Sorry, what I meant was that their ships would be part of starfleet but not crewed by majority humans.

Blackstar the Chakat · Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:22 am

Teaos wrote:I also doubt the Federation would allow independent navy. To muh of a risk to stability.

Well, I believe that's how the US started off. Each state having it's own military force. Not a true army, but more like a local defence force. Where the local forces answered to the local state government. However the Civil War united all of armed forces under the federal government.

Even if I got that completely wrong that's still how the Federation could've started off. Slowly uniting government run space forces under one command.

Post by **Teaos** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:23 am

Well, I believe that's how the US started off. Each state having it's own military force. Not a true army, but more like a local defence force. Where the local forces answered to the local state government. However the Civil War united all of armed forces under the federal government.

The Federation is over 100 years old more than enouh time to consilidate power.

RK_Striker_JK_5 · Post by **RK_Striker_JK_5** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:12 am

Wait... Was that quote from 'Tomorrow is Yesterday', to the air force captain?

If so, then maybe he was lying?

If not, never mind and ignore.

Post by **Teaos** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:17 am

Yeah it was. But I see no reason for him to lie then. Even if he said they were only on Mars the guy would have been impressed.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:31 pm

The Constitution class was rather new at that point, right? It's possible that they went on to build more in later years, but had only a dozen at the time Kirk made that quote. That would seem to go well with what we know.

Blackstar the Chakat · Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:38 pm

Rochey wrote:The Constitution class was rather new at that point, right? It's possible that they went on to build more in later years, but had only a dozen at the time Kirk made that quote. That would seem to go well with what we know.

Well the E-nil had been in service for at least 10 years at that point and many argue 15 if Captain April is canon. But since the Constitution was NCC-1700 and the numbers were in order(which they aren't) and the E-nil was the second ship of the class and they built one ship of the class every year, with some extra time for the testing and trial runs for the prototype ship then that could fit the dozen ship count at that time and still be withen accepted canon and even semi-canon timelines.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:41 pm

That seems like the most likely option, then.

Blackstar the Chakat · Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:45 pm

Did Rochey just agree with me?

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:47 pm

Uh.....no!

Post by **Mikey** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:28 pm

Ow! My paradigm hurts!

Bryan Moore · Post by **Bryan Moore** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:31 pm

I'm apt to agree with what Graham is saying. 12 seems reasonable for that. And under that, lets just say the Hermes/Paladin class scouts/destroyers number in the dozens/hundreds, add in some tugs, carriers, and maybe light corvettes, and its a reasonable fleet for Starfleet.

For an appropriate analogy: In WWI, when the U.S. joined the war, there were only a handful of those trained to pilot planes. Within 100 years, how many planes does the navy has? Each requiring thousands of times more resources than the original planes. Nothing to say some major fleet building couldn't have been done in the next 50-100 years.

Post by **Teaos** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:58 am

I suppose if the fleet numbers were topped up with smaller classes. I would still like to beiieve SF had at least 30 of them though.