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So if the Galaxy-class starship is the baseline vessel for Star Trek, then what Star Wars vessel would be the perfect baseline, and at what strength?
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Meste17 wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2025 5:29 am So if the Galaxy-class starship is the baseline vessel for Star Trek, then what Star Wars vessel would be the perfect baseline, and at what strength?
That's easy. The Imperial Star Destroyer we saw first in New Hope and it's strength would also be 1,000. Because it would be compared to the rest of Star Wars ships.

You could argue perhaps maybe upping that number to 10,000 or 100,000 if you want to give the fighters more proportional strength. 100 for example for X Wing as opposed to 10 or 1.

And no we cannot compare it to Star Trek DITL strength because that is a Versus topic which is against the board's rules.
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So just do the Imperial-I class Star Destroyer at exactly 10,000?
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Meste17 wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 5:12 am So just do the Imperial-I class Star Destroyer at exactly 10,000?
Pretty much. The range has to handle the Executor class all the way down to Z-95, let alone all the TIE variants. The Imperial-I is nearly everywhere, is the bad guy ship first introduced in ANH, and has a mix of capabilities so a wide variety of other vessels can be measured against it (direct firepower, shield strength, fighter capacity, & ground forces).
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Coalition wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 4:56 pm
Meste17 wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 5:12 am So just do the Imperial-I class Star Destroyer at exactly 10,000?
Pretty much. The range has to handle the Executor class all the way down to Z-95, let alone all the TIE variants. The Imperial-I is nearly everywhere, is the bad guy ship first introduced in ANH, and has a mix of capabilities so a wide variety of other vessels can be measured against it (direct firepower, shield strength, fighter capacity, & ground forces).
Exactly. Have to account for the older and even newer fighters. Using the 1,000 scale would basically make fighters be like 1.2 or 0.8. Just making up numbers here, but I think the idea is there.

Not sure where you put the Executor though. 200,000?
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McAvoy wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2025 1:22 am Not sure where you put the Executor though. 200,000?

Well I must have the numbers mixed up then, because I have the Imperial I at 16,000 and the Executor at 1,665,485.
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Meste17 wrote: Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:41 am
McAvoy wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2025 1:22 am Not sure where you put the Executor though. 200,000?

Well I must have the numbers mixed up then, because I have the Imperial I at 16,000 and the Executor at 1,665,485.
It's largely a matter of personal perspective, and McAvoy's Executor strength was a mere suggestion. There are a multitude of different sources to use, and most will vary to some degree, so it is really for you decide which information to use, and then to formulate some sort of calculation based on that information.

But, as stated above, a baseline of '1,000', '10,000', or '100,000' would seem logical.
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Well, I would have to agree with that assessment, though I’m not sure that doing the Imperial-I at 1,000 would be appropriate, considering just how powerful even that class was ….
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That's the point, no one is saying to do so, simply that the Imperial is likely the most appropriate ship to use as the baseline, and that an easy number to measure against such as a 1 with however many zeros, makes the most sense.
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Meste17 wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:11 pm Well, I would have to agree with that assessment, though I’m not sure that doing the Imperial-I at 1,000 would be appropriate, considering just how powerful even that class was ….
Its not a matter of how powerful it is, but to be used as baseline ship. But you also need to reflect older weaker ships but also fighters and any sub-100 meter ships. It would be best probably to use 10,000 or 100,000. Then go from there.
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McAvoy wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 2:06 am
Meste17 wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:11 pm Well, I would have to agree with that assessment, though I’m not sure that doing the Imperial-I at 1,000 would be appropriate, considering just how powerful even that class was ….
Its not a matter of how powerful it is, but to be used as baseline ship. But you also need to reflect older weaker ships but also fighters and any sub-100 meter ships. It would be best probably to use 10,000 or 100,000. Then go from there.




Hmmm, agreed. Thanks a bunch to everyone for their input on this. :)
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Meste17 wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 4:16 am
McAvoy wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 2:06 am
Meste17 wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:11 pm Well, I would have to agree with that assessment, though I’m not sure that doing the Imperial-I at 1,000 would be appropriate, considering just how powerful even that class was ….
Its not a matter of how powerful it is, but to be used as baseline ship. But you also need to reflect older weaker ships but also fighters and any sub-100 meter ships. It would be best probably to use 10,000 or 100,000. Then go from there.




Hmmm, agreed. Thanks a bunch to everyone for their input on this. :)
To throw a wrench in your math. You could do the other way around. Make the X-Wing 100 as a base line. Fighters are used alot in Star Wars. I mean the numbers for capital ships would be huge though.
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McAvoy wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 3:07 am
Meste17 wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 4:16 am
McAvoy wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 2:06 am

Its not a matter of how powerful it is, but to be used as baseline ship. But you also need to reflect older weaker ships but also fighters and any sub-100 meter ships. It would be best probably to use 10,000 or 100,000. Then go from there.




Hmmm, agreed. Thanks a bunch to everyone for their input on this. :)
To throw a wrench in your math. You could do the other way around. Make the X-Wing 100 as a base line. Fighters are used alot in Star Wars. I mean the numbers for capital ships would be huge though.

Well which direction would you go with this?
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Meste17 wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 3:23 am
McAvoy wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 3:07 am
Meste17 wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 4:16 am



Hmmm, agreed. Thanks a bunch to everyone for their input on this. :)
To throw a wrench in your math. You could do the other way around. Make the X-Wing 100 as a base line. Fighters are used alot in Star Wars. I mean the numbers for capital ships would be huge though.

Well which direction would you go with this?
Up to you. Using starfighters as a baseline could create giant numbers for capital ships. Using capital ships would create numbers for starfighters.
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