How will the United States fall?

sunnyside · Post by **sunnyside** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:03 pm

At first I figured it was just a Kosovo related joke. But maybe it isn't

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/12/21/5946/

Monroe · Post by **Monroe** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:27 pm

o.O Speak of the devil.

Monroe · Post by **Monroe** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:31 pm

oh wow old article, look at the date. And we still haven't heard anything about this in over two months? lol

Blackstar the Chakat · Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:50 pm

That's cool

Post by **Mikey** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:32 pm

Hmmm. I wonder if I get any status if I can find my wife's BIA number...

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:40 pm

I'm a bit behind with the news but it seems the Lakota are trying to exceed from the US nation and take big chunks of Dakota and surrounding land with them. Washington hasn't kept its side of the treaties so they've decided enough is enough and are planning to mount legal challenges to the land that was originally given to them in treaties in 1850.

That's just..........
Words defy the stupidity of doing that. At best, the US will recognise their independance (good luck with that!), and this small nation will pretty much collapse financialy. At worst, the US recognises it's independance.....and then invades.

Given that I haven't heard anything about this before, should I assume they were just ignored?

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:46 pm

I remember hearing something about this a few months ago. The "secessionists" were a minor protest group who were ignored by pretty much everyone - including the Lakota leadership.

Monroe · Post by **Monroe** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:55 pm

The guy did lose his presidential bid.
There's seperatists in a lot of nations. Montana, Lakota surprisingly not in the south far as I know for the US. Lot of places in Russia, hell even northern Spain has a seperatist group.

I wouldn't expect to hear anymore about this unless they declare war on the US. Hell even Iran or Venezuala didn't recognize them.

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:07 pm

Everyone's got separatists to some extent - Cornwall and Scotland spring to mind here, the Basques in northern Spain and southern France, Quebec, South Ossetia in Georgia, Chechnya, Western Sahara, and those are just the ones off the top of my head. The list is endless. Most of them are small groups who no-one pays any attention to (like this bunch of Lakota) while others are serious trouble.

Post by **Mikey** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:12 pm

That's exactly what seems to have happened with this group of Lakota Sioux. Just because the head of the separatist movement was loud, doesn't mean that he had the support of the bulk of the Lakota Sioux.

sunnyside · Post by **sunnyside** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:14 pm

Captain Seafort wrote: Most of them are small groups who no-one pays any attention to (like this bunch of Lakota) while others are serious trouble.

Out of curiosity what are the Irish considered to be?

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:19 pm

sunnyside wrote:Out of curiosity what are the Irish considered to be?

I'm discounting the Troubles partially because, fingers crossed, they're over, and partially because the Provos' aim wasn't secession but unification with the Republic.

Post by **Graham Kennedy** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:29 pm

sunnyside wrote:
Captain Seafort wrote: Most of them are small groups who no-one pays any attention to (like this bunch of Lakota) while others are serious trouble.
Out of curiosity what are the Irish considered to be?

Well the Irish are considered to be foreigners. The Northern Irish are considered to be a problem solved.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:11 pm

Out of curiosity what are the Irish considered to be?

Well, we don't really have trouble with people trying to get rid of parts of our country. We just have problems with terrorists trying to add places to our country.
A few decades ago, the Irish Republican Army was a pretty serious threat up in the North. Lately, though, it's thankfully died down, and we just have to listen to Sinn FÃ©inn (the IRA's political wing) bitching about things that no one gives a damn about.

Deepcrush · Post by **Deepcrush** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:22 pm

I hate to have to do this but, this kinda relates to the topic
I'm a bit behind with the news but it seems the Lakota are trying to exceed from the US nation and take big chunks of Dakota and surrounding land with them. Washington hasn't kept its side of the treaties so they've decided enough is enough and are planning to mount legal challenges to the land that was originally given to them in treaties in 1850.

They may get a huge chunk of property but the courts have blocked the request thus far for them to seperate from the US.