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PARIS: The online retailer Amazon.com said Monday that it would pay €1,000 a day in fines, rather than comply with a court ruling upholding French limits on price discounts for books.

The company decided to pay the daily fine worth $1,500 rather than eliminate its offer of free shipping on book purchases, said Xavier Garambois, director of Amazon's French subsidiary.

"We are determined to follow every avenue available to us to overturn this law," Garambois said. The company appealed the ruling Friday.

Jeff Bezos, founder and chief executive of the company, based in Seattle, was equally defiant in a weekend e-mail message to French customers. "As unbelievable as it appears, the free delivery of Amazon.fr is threatened," he wrote in the French-language note.

"France would be the only country in the world where the free delivery practiced by Amazon would be declared illegal," the Bezos e-mail concluded, inviting consumers to sign an online petition. By Monday evening, more than 120,000 people had clicked in favor of maintaining free delivery.

Of Amazon's $3 billion in third-quarter revenue, about $1 billion came from outside North America. Amazon does not break down sales or active users, which total 72 million globally, among seven international operations.

Amazon's defiance has the potential to backfire. Amazon must pay the fine for 30 days if it continues to violate the court order, at which point the court will reconsider the fine and then extend it, lower it or raise it.

Cédric Manara, a law professor and e-commerce specialist at Edhec, a French business school in Nice, said he would not be surprised if the court raised the penalty, and that Amazon "had no chance" with its appeal.

The law is "really clear," Manara said. "There is no way you can read the text to find a different result. And the court would have evidence of the firm's deliberate will to violate the law." A similar law regulating the price of books in Germany does not affect free shipping for Amazon.de, Mantello said.

The 1981 Lang law was passed at a time when booksellers were losing sales to supermarkets and other new competitors. It was meant to assure that the French public had equal access to a wide variety of books, both high-brow and low-brow, not just heavily marked-down publications.

The law has twice come before the European Court of Justice and both times it has been affirmed. The law is not considered anticompetitive because all book retailers are held to the same standard, Manara said.

In the Amazon case, a union of French bookstores won its lawsuit against the company last month over the free-shipping offer, which applies only to deliveries within France on book orders of more than €20.

The Tribunal de Grande Instance in Versailles awarded the bookstore association €100,000 and ordered Amazon to start charging for delivery. The court said if the cost of Amazon's delivery reduced the price of a book more than the 5 percent allowed by law, then the sale violated the law.

Still, Amazon said it could triumph. "As a company, we are very passionate about this," said Stephanie Mantello, of Amazon's office in Paris.
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Weird.

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Thats not spam...thats interesting stuff. try 16 topics all with detailed pictures of decomposing bodies in them. THATS spam. there all deleted now and the said forum has gone offline for a while because of a Anti-spam update.
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Wow, uh....where did you happen to find that? :?
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Reliant121 wrote:Thats not spam...thats interesting stuff. try 16 topics all with detailed pictures of decomposing bodies in them. THATS spam. there all deleted now and the said forum has gone offline for a while because of a Anti-spam update.
Oh internet, you rascal.
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I didn't do it (Duh i was 9). It was ages ago. And it was disgusting. I was throwing up for ages because i cant stand blood or anything.
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As far as the article goes, this is pretty classic France. They so resent the encroachment of all things American, because they're so proud of the culture they already have. The thing they really hate, though, is Starbucks. Particularly since Starbucks is becoming popular among teenagers there.
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I hate Starbucks. I am a big fan of coffee. I experiment with different brewing methods, different varietals, different roasts, etc. I guess I am an amateur coffe epicure. This is why I hate Starbucks:

I will never see the need for a coffee shop across the street from a coffee shop. To make it worse, I will never see the logic in a cup of coffee that requires a credit application to purchase. Even worse, I was born and raised in America - I don't speak the language that Starbucks uses. The last time I was in one (only because they are INSIDE some bookstores) the barrista actually argued with me because I refused to ask for a "large" as a ventshade, or whatever the hell they call it. And "worsest" of all, their coffee SUCKS!
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I've never had a Starbucks. I've had crappy starbuck's replicas from a place called Costa Coffee and it was horrible. And i'm a Coffee vampire, so i would know. :lol:
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The best way I can describe it is that it seems like it's roasted too lightly, and then they use more gorunds per cup to compensate, so it comes out muddy. Not nicely earthy-muddy, like Kenya AA, just ick.

I really don't know if that's true, but it's the best way I can describe the tase.
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yuck. Sounds like when the coffee machine started spewing a coffee slime instead of real coffee.
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I've heard that the original store in Seattle still holds to the original standards of quality, but that in moving out into the wider world, they (rightly) guessed that most of their market wouldn't know excellent coffee if it gave their laps third-degree burns, and so started cutting corners to make more money.
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Never had Starbucks. Don't even drink coffee, even.
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Starbucks is overpriced, overhyped BS. I can make coffee of equal quality with my microwave and some coffee-mate.
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AND I can make coffee of much greater quality with my Gevlia varietals and an automatic drip pot.
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Never been in a Starbucks, and I doubt I will after reading this. :)
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