Man dies feet from ER after hospital says to call 911

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Man dies feet from ER after hospital says to call 911

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PORTLAND, Ore. — The death of a Cuban immigrant just feet from an emergency room has left his family in grief, upset police and drawn a request for an investigation from a congressman, all asking why an officer was told to call the emergency services number for a heart attack victim just outside the hospital door.

Birgilio Marin-Fuentes had driven to Portland Adventist Medical Center shortly after midnight Thursday, unable to sleep or stop coughing, then crashed his car into a pillar and wall inside the first level of the hospital parking garage under an "emergency parking only" sign about 125 feet from the emergency room entrance.

By the time somebody noticed the 61-year-old Cuban immigrant in his car and told a police officer in the emergency room, about 20 minutes had gone by.

Officers Angela Luty and Robert Quick found Marin-Fuentes unconscious and unresponsive and began cardiopulmonary resuscitation. A third officer, Andrew Hearst, went to the ER intake desk and told them what was happening.

He was told to call emergency services.

"The officers recognized this man needed medical attention immediately, and two officers began CPR immediately, and a third officer went to ask for assistance, and they were told they had to wait until an ambulance arrived," said Sgt. Pete Simpson, a Portland Police Bureau spokesman.

Judy Leach, a hospital spokeswoman, said emergency room staff was told it was a car crash and they were following the proper protocol by instructing police to summon an ambulance crew.

"With an automobile accident you don't know if the patient needs to be extricated or transported," Leach said Friday. "There are protocols in place to ensure the right thing is done for the right patient at the right time."

She said hospital security officers equipped with a mobile defibrillator were dispatched, and a paramedic went outside to check on the situation.

But Simpson said officers did not receive any medical assistance and were left to fend for themselves until the ambulance arrived and the crew wheeled Marin-Fuentes the short distance to the emergency room aboard a gurney.

"It's a traumatic experience to give CPR and have a person not survive, especially to be that close to a hospital with trained medical personnel right there who could have assisted," Simpson said.

U.S. Rep. Earl Blumenauer said Friday he has asked the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services to conduct an independent investigation to make sure the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act approved in 1986 was followed.

The act requires all Medicare participating hospitals with emergency departments to treat any critically ill patients on their premises, including parking lots, Blumenauer said.

Blumenauer said he was "deeply concerned" about the way the incident was handled and has been in contact with both national and state hospital associations "to make sure everybody gets their signals straight."

Mark McDougal, a Portland attorney representing the family of Marin-Fuentes, said the family was pleased that Blumenauer has asked for a federal investigation.

"It is particularly disturbing that the hospital has given an account which is directly contradicted by the officers at the scene," McDougal said.

Efforts by The Associated Press to reach the victim's wife, Claudia Luis Garcia, on Friday were unsuccessful.

But she told The Oregonian she believes if she had insisted on driving with her husband to the hospital, he might still be alive.

"They left him to die," Luis Garcia said.

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It sure seems awful, but there's an important detail missing. If the hospital staff were told simply about a car accident with medical assistance needed, then they did the right thing. It's easy to jump to a judgement when a life was the cost, and on the surface it seems like the hospital staff should be flogged, but that missing detail would make all the difference in that judgement.
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I doubt the cop was that vague when describing the situation to the staff.
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That is terrible. I spent some time doing admin work in my local hospitals ER a few years ago and it sure as hell opened my eyes to the great work done by the nurses & doctors. I seriously doubt if the frontline medical staff knew what was really going on they would've rushed out to administer aid.

During my time as admin my worst memory was of trying to talk to (& keep together) the family of a man who was having a heart attack in the next room & since all the medical staff were busy attending to the man I had to keep them occupied & get as much of his medical history/ details. I know it sounds weird but its a small hospital (since mostly closed down due to cuts in the health budget - bastards). Luckily the man was saved that night but i'll never forget his wife & son and their obvious concern, (I had to stand between the son and the door to stop him rushing into the room where his father was to stop him "getting in the way").
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Tsukiyumi wrote:I doubt the cop was that vague when describing the situation to the staff.
So do I. All I'm saying is that we don't know, and it becomes very easy to cast uninformed blame when a life was the cost.
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It really does not seem to have anything to do with the medical system so much as the doctors saying that it is paramedics who need to extricate people from cars and get them into the hospital. Was it harsh on their part? Probably but it hardly seems an indictment of a healthcare system. Its not like they ran out and said "He has no insurance so let him die". The procedure may be dumb in your view but it is hardly related to the "medical system" as a whole. That stance would only have a leg to stand on if they denied him treatement for financial or insurance reasons.
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It's not an indictment, it's a symptom of a larger problem. A man died because of some bureaucratic nonsense policy. If it had been your loved one, you'd shrug and say, "that's harsh, but them's the breaks"?

And, believe me, this is not the only evidence I've seen of the sorry state of our healthcare system.
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Tsukiyumi wrote:It's not an indictment, it's a symptom of a larger problem. A man died because of some bureaucratic nonsense policy. If it had been your loved one, you'd shrug and say, "that's harsh, but them's the breaks"?

And, believe me, this is not the only evidence I've seen of the sorry state of our healthcare system.
While I agree there is such nonsense in all healthcare systems. They all have rules and procedures that at times will seem stupid and cause seemingly unnecessary suffering. I am just not sure you can take from this incident any particular indictment of any one type of healthcare system.
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The policy can hardly be called nonsense. I agree that (assuming the police told the ER where they were) that the application in this case was nonsense; but a policy that ensures that first medical responders to a car crash are in fact the people who have the knowledge and equipment to deal specifically with the issues of a crash... I don't call that policy nonsense.
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