Israel Wants €1 Billion Reparations From Germany

[Sionnach Glic]

Well that does clear it up a bit.

Especially when you look down the forum and find out that they've been harvesting their enemies organs.

It wasn't just their enemies.

Channel 2 TV reported that in the 1990s, specialists at Abu Kabir harvested skin, corneas, heart valves and bones from the bodies of Israeli soldiers, Israeli citizens, Palestinians and foreign workers, often without permission from relatives.

[Deepcrush]

Then that explains from where you got your figures... but is complete and totally not germane to the prior conversation.

How so? You're factoring the cost of war. That means everything, not just what suits your thoughts of who's right or wrong. You brought up the death toll of the war for Jews, shouldn't you also consider the death tolls for everyone else in the war? Unless this is nothing but a political jab vs anything meaningful like capitalizing on the deaths of millions.

None of which speak to people being murdered by being forced into a kiln.

You're absolutely right! God knows, they all went to their suffering deaths of their free will. I'm glad you pointed that out. Nothing says free choice like being slowly cooked in liquid hot metal. Or being dragged under a car while your upper body is boiled against the engine block and your backsides ripped from your body from the street. I'm so glad you at least pretended to think about it before you said something.

How about this? Since I take offense to that last bullshit statement of yours. You can take offense when you get to watch someone die in one of those very manners. Because then, I might care that it offends you.

On the other side of things. This is why matters like this one, are best left to history. No one was untouched, unhurt and dismissed of the effects of WW2.

[Sionnach Glic]

Guys, I think it'd be best if we just dropped this. Getting into a "who died the worst death" debate isn't going to achieve anything.

[Mikey]

did Jews count as German citizens?

Of course. Jews were a large part of Germanic citizenry throughout the history of a Germany since it was a distinct nation from the Holy Roman Empire. They were still German citizens at the occurence of Krystallnacht, and most disenfranchisement didn't occur until after the establishment of ghettoes.

Neato, never knew any of that. Objection withdrawn.

Indeed. Thanks for the info.

How so? You're factoring the cost of war. That means everything, not just what suits your thoughts of who's right or wrong. You brought up the death toll of the war for Jews, shouldn't you also consider the death tolls for everyone else in the war? Unless this is nothing but a political jab vs anything meaningful like capitalizing on the deaths of millions.

No, I'm not factoring the cost of the war. I never claimed to. I very explicitly stated that I was referring to the toll of the Holocaust. You can talk about the otal cost of lives during WWII, in which case your numbers make sense, but don't make shit up about what I said in order to do so.

You're absolutely right! God knows, they all went to their suffering deaths of their free will. I'm glad you pointed that out. Nothing says free choice like being slowly cooked in liquid hot metal. Or being dragged under a car while your upper body is boiled against the engine block and your backsides ripped from your body from the street. I'm so glad you at least pretended to think about it before you said something.

How about this? Since I take offense to that last bullshit statement of yours. You can take offense when you get to watch someone die in one of those very manners. Because then, I might care that it offends you.

On the other side of things. This is why matters like this one, are best left to history. No one was untouched, unhurt and dismissed of the effects of WW2.

WTF? Don't get all defensive, man. I'm not the one who made fun of the way your family died. I never dismissed it, or any of the crap you're making up. However, it is true that unless it was murder, it wasn't murder.