Now, THIS could be a problem...

Post by **Teaos** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:07 pm

You're not in a NATO nation? Where are you from Teaos?

New Zealand.

You can;t bring Nukes into it because no one is stupid enough to fire them.

Monroe · Post by **Monroe** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:46 am

Teaos wrote:
You're not in a NATO nation? Where are you from Teaos?
New Zealand.

You can;t bring Nukes into it because no one is stupid enough to fire them.

Isn't New Zealand treaty bound to Australia or England?

Post by **Teaos** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:52 pm

I said we had an honor agreement with them but no hard and fast treaty. Being nextdoor to one and a former colony of the other kind of forms a close bond.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:32 pm

Patton

Uh, no.. Definitely the Truman Doctrine.

Deepcrush · Post by **Deepcrush** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:42 pm

Captain Seafort wrote:
Deepcrush wrote:Nukes are a deterrant against someone else who has nukes. They aren't useful against an enemy that also has them.
So nukes are useful again people who have nukes, but nukes aren't useful against people who have nukes? Is that a typo or have I misunderstood you?

Sounds funny but its true. You can't nuke someone who is going to do it right back. It just doesn't work, but they are a good deterrant and can be used if no one else has them.

Deepcrush · Post by **Deepcrush** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:49 pm

Rochey wrote:
Patton
Uh, no.. Definitely the Truman Doctrine.

PATTON!

FIND 'EM, SEE 'EM, SHOOT 'EM! As for the rest, let someone else sort them out.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 6:21 pm

Oh, now I get it. I thought that you thought that the name of the Truman Doctrine was the Patton Doctrine.
Never mind...

Monroe · Post by **Monroe** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:18 pm

Teaos wrote:I said we had an honor agreement with them but no hard and fast treaty. Being nextdoor to one and a former colony of the other kind of forms a close bond.

So since both are members of NATO and NATO was specifically desgined to fight Russia incase of a Russian War don't you think your country is safer without the possibility of going to war with all your allies?

Post by **Teaos** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:13 pm

Is Austraila a member of NATO? I was sure it wasnt.

But if it did get to the stage of Russia attack full forse the whole world will be pulled in regardless but as that is so unlikely I dont really care.

Monroe · Post by **Monroe** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:31 am

yeah they are a member of NATO. I remember cause NATO is North Atlantic Treaty Organization and Australia is not in the north Atlantic so it kind of stuck out in my mind.

Post by **Teaos** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:43 am

Yeah thats why I didnt think they were members.

The only really official treaty we evere had appart from when we were with Britain was ANZUS (Australia New Zealand United States) But america cancelled their deal with us when we didnt let nuclear ships in our waters.

Enkidu · Post by **Enkidu** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:30 am

Australia and NZ are not NATO members. Australia is a NATO ally, (I'm not sure about NZ) and there are formal alliances between the US and Australia, as Teaos say the NZ/US part of that alliance, which took Austraila and NZ to Vietnam, is now void. I say good on New Zealand for sticking to their principles on nuclear powered ships. There are also links with other Pacific nations, and Australia, NZ and the UK are so close (I doubt that there is a single citizen of British descent in either of the three countries who doesn't have active family or friend relationships with a citizen in at least one of the other countries) that despite political and slight cultural differences if one was a genuine corner the others would weigh in, despite the fact that the formal treaty has lapsed. At least, I suspect that would be the case.

Monroe · Post by **Monroe** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:33 pm

Oh my bad, I looked it up on Wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO#Membership

Post by **Tsukiyumi** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:55 pm

I still think a revitalized, pissed off Russia is bad for everyone, regardless of your location.

Post by **Mikey** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:32 pm

Are/were Australia or New Zealand SEATO members?