Species of the week: Voth

Post by **Mikey** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:42 am

Your reasoning is valid, but your premise unsound. In fact, the very large brontosaurus-type of dinosaurs are actually called sauropods - which name should indicate to you that their bone structure is much more akin to modern reptiles than the ornithopods. It is these ornithopods to which you are eponymously referring as far as bird-like bone structure, but these were typically much smaller and slighter.

You're also forgetting convergent evolution. As you yourself pointed out, it's ridiculous to call a dolphin a fish, even though they are built mor like fish than like us. Similarly, there were dinosaurs like ankyllosaurus, but you wouldn't say they were mammals just because armadillos and pangolins are, would you?

Granitehewer · Post by **Granitehewer** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:55 am

i always wanted a pet glyptodon to ride to school, stoooopid extinction!

Post by **Tsukiyumi** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:00 am

Granitehewer wrote:i always wanted a pet glyptodon to ride to school, stoooopid extinction!

Would you park that at the bike rack, or moor it somewhere safer and walk the rest of the way?

I'd rather have ridden this to school: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quetzalcoatlus

Granitehewer · Post by **Granitehewer** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:55 am

i would have taxi'ed on my glyppy as far as it could muster!
I used to have a Qts as a dino-riders' toy, anyone remember dino-riders?

Post by **Tsukiyumi** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:26 am

Granitehewer wrote:...anyone remember dino-riders?

Still have one. I don't know if I still have all the weapons and what-not, but the short answer is 'yes'.

Post by **Mikey** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:39 pm

I don't know dino-riders, and I didn't look at the wiki article, but a quetzalcoatl was supposed to be intelligent, capricious, sacred to the god fo the same name, and in general not terribly nice. I don't think it would have made a good ride.

BTW - Good to hear from you again, Pete. Hope everything is OK.

Granitehewer · Post by **Granitehewer** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:14 pm

....the feathered serpent,that Cortes or Pizarro was mistaken for (i forget and can't be bothered to cheat!).
Cheers M!

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:58 pm

I don't think it would have made a good ride.

No, but it would have been damn cool. 8)

Post by **Mikey** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:35 pm

Hmmm... Mesoamerican divinities seemed to have been notoriously capricious and unconcerned with their constituents...

Granitehewer · Post by **Granitehewer** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:53 am

No more dino-rider fans out there??? come on there are others older even than i and thus must have been woo'd by the premise of a missile totting T-rex, surely?!

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:13 pm

come on there are others older even than i and thus must have been woo'd by the premise of a missile totting T-rex, surely?!

What?

Post by **Mikey** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:23 pm

Granitehewer wrote:No more dino-rider fans out there??? come on there are others older even than i and thus must have been woo'd by the premise of a missile totting T-rex, surely?!

Who wouldn't? It still doesn't change the fact that I've never heard of this "Dino-riders."

Thorin · Post by **Thorin** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:15 pm

We are descended from apes, not monkeys. They are different! Neither is within the other!

Never seen this episode. The feds are clearly the fastest advancing species - Romulans have warp travel some 1000 (or more) years before them, and yet in just 300 years of warp travel are on a par, and arguably better. While this may be down to Vulcan influence, there are various other things - transphasic torpedos are developed - in just 30 years from Voy to Endgame, the Federation becomes considerably more powerful than the Borg - one relatively weak ship (Voyager) is able to take out two cubes with no effort and survive a barrage from a load more. The Klingons, Romulans... All stand still. Maybe it's just an evolutionary thing - they're just not clever enough and have reached a pinacle, and must wait til they evolve enough to become intelligent enough. The Voth could possibly be similar to this - Dinosaurs were never known for their intelligence, after all

Thorin · Post by **Thorin** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:23 pm

We are descended from apes, not monkeys. They are different! Neither is within the other!

Never seen this episode. The feds are clearly the fastest advancing species - Romulans have warp travel some 1000 (or more) years before them, and yet in just 300 years of warp travel are on a par, and arguably better. While this may be down to Vulcan influence, there are various other things - transphasic torpedos are developed - in just 30 years from Voy to Endgame, the Federation becomes considerably more powerful than the Borg - one relatively weak ship (Voyager) is able to take out two cubes with no effort and survive a barrage from a load more. The Klingons, Romulans... All stand still. Maybe it's just an evolutionary thing - they're just not clever enough and have reached a pinacle, and must wait til they evolve enough to become intelligent enough. The Voth could possibly be similar to this - Dinosaurs were never known for their intelligence, after all

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:16 pm

We can't really take Humans' rapid development as absolute evidence of rapid technological progress - a lot of that knowledge could easily have come from the Vulcans, Andorians, Tellarites, and other more experienced species. We also can't make absolute statements about the power of transphasics without knowing how they work - they could well be a specialised anti-Borg weapon, rather than simply having greater firepower.