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But still plenty of news.
A Supreme Leader Loses His Aura as Iranians Flock to the Streets
By ROGER COHEN

TEHRAN - The Iranian police commander, in green uniform, walked up Komak Hospital Alley with arms raised and his small unit at his side. "I swear to God," he shouted at the protesters facing him, "I have children, I have a wife, I don't want to beat people. Please go home."

A man at my side threw a rock at him. The commander, unflinching, continued to plead. There were chants of "Join us! Join us!" The unit retreated toward Revolution Street, where vast crowds eddied back and forth confronted by baton-wielding Basij militia and black-clad riot police officers on motorbikes.

Dark smoke billowed over this vast city in the late afternoon. Motorbikes were set on fire, sending bursts of bright flame skyward. Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the supreme leader, had used his Friday sermon to declare high noon in Tehran, warning of "bloodshed and chaos" if protests over a disputed election persisted.

He got both on Saturday - and saw the hitherto sacrosanct authority of his office challenged as never before since the 1979 revolution birthed the Islamic Republic and conceived for it a leadership post standing at the very flank of the Prophet. A multitude of Iranians took their fight through a holy breach on Saturday from which there appears to be scant turning back.

Khamenei has taken a radical risk. He has factionalized himself, so losing the arbiter's lofty garb, by aligning himself with President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad against both Mir Hussein Moussavi, the opposition leader, and Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, a founding father of the revolution.

He has taunted millions of Iranians by praising their unprecedented participation in an election many now view as a ballot-box putsch. He has ridiculed the notion that an official inquiry into the vote might yield a different result. He has tried pathos and he has tried pounding his lectern. In short, he has lost his aura.

The taboo-breaking response was unequivocal. It's funny how people's obsessions come back to bite them. I've been hearing about Khamenei's fear of "velvet revolutions" for months now. There was nothing velvet about Saturday's clashes. In fact, the initial quest to have Moussavi's votes properly counted and Ahmadinejad unseated has shifted to a broader confrontation with the regime itself.

Garbage burned. Crowds bayed. Smoke from tear gas swirled. Hurled bricks sent phalanxes of police, some with automatic rifles, into retreat to the accompaniment of cheers. Early afternoon rumors that the rally for Moussavi had been canceled yielded to the reality of violent confrontation.

I don't know where this uprising is leading. I do know some police units are wavering. That commander talking about his family was not alone. There were other policemen complaining about the unruly Basijis. Some security forces just stood and watched. "All together, all together, don't be scared," the crowd shouted.

I also know that Iran's women stand in the vanguard. For days now, I've seen them urging less courageous men on. I've seen them get beaten and return to the fray. "Why are you sitting there?" one shouted at a couple of men perched on the sidewalk on Saturday. "Get up! Get up!"

Another green-eyed woman, Mahin, aged 52, staggered into an alley clutching her face and in tears. Then, against the urging of those around her, she limped back into the crowd moving west toward Freedom Square. Cries of "Death to the dictator!" and "We want liberty!" accompanied her.

There were people of all ages. I saw an old man on crutches, middle-aged office workers and bands of teenagers. Unlike the student revolts of 2003 and 1999, this movement is broad.

"Can't the United Nations help us?" one woman asked me. I said I doubted that very much. "So," she said, "we are on our own."

The world is watching, and technology is connecting, and the West is sending what signals it can, but in the end that is true. Iranians have fought this lonely fight for a long time: to be free, to have a measure of democracy.

Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the leader of the Islamic revolution, understood that, weaving a little plurality into an authoritarian system. That pluralism has ebbed and flowed since 1979 - mainly the former - but last week it was crushed with blunt brutality. That is why a whole new generation of Iranians, their intelligence insulted, has risen.

I'd say the momentum is with them for now. At moments on Saturday, Khamenei's authority, which is that of the Islamic Republic itself, seemed fragile. The revolutionary authorities have always mocked the cancer-ridden Shah's ceding before an uprising, and vowed never to bend in the same way. Their firepower remains formidable, but they are facing a swelling test.

Just off Revolution Street, I walked into a pall of tear gas. I'd lit a cigarette minutes before - not a habit but a need - and a young man collapsed into me shouting, "Blow smoke in my face." Smoke dispels the effects of the gas to some degree.

I did what I could and he said, "We are with you" in English and with my colleague we tumbled into a dead end - Tehran is full of them - running from the searing gas and police. I gasped and fell through a door into an apartment building where somebody had lit a small fire in a dish to relieve the stinging.

There were about 20 of us gathered there, eyes running, hearts racing. A 19-year-old student was nursing his left leg, struck by a militiaman with an electric-shock-delivering baton. "No way we are turning back," said a friend of his as he massaged that wounded leg.

Later, we moved north, tentatively, watching the police lash out from time to time, reaching Victory Square where a pitched battle was in progress. Young men were breaking bricks and stones to a size for hurling. Crowds gathered on overpasses, filming and cheering the protesters. A car burst into flames. Back and forth the crowd surged, confronted by less-than-convincing police units.

I looked up through the smoke and saw a poster of the stern visage of Khomeini above the words, "Islam is the religion of freedom."

Later, as night fell over the tumultuous capital, gunfire could be heard in the distance. And from rooftops across the city, the defiant sound of "Allah-u-Akbar" - "God is Great" - went up yet again, as it has every night since the fraudulent election. But on Saturday it seemed stronger. The same cry was heard in 1979, only for one form of absolutism to yield to another. Iran has waited long enough to be free.

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And from the BBC:
Iran Guards vow protest crackdown

Iran's Revolutionary Guards have threatened to crack down on any new street protests against the results of the country's presidential election.

In a statement, the guards vowed to react in a "revolutionary" way to suppress unauthorised demonstrations.

The Revolutionary Guards, Iran's elite security force, have close ties to the country's supreme leader.

On Friday Ayatollah Ali Khamenei banned protests, prompting street violence in which at least 10 people died.

The streets of Tehran were quieter on Sunday but new protests are planned for Monday.

Opposition supporters passing messages online said they planned to carry candles at a rally in Tehran in the evening in memory of those killed.

'Revolutionary confrontation'

In a statement posted on their website, the Guards said their troops would break up street protests and force protesters from the streets.

"Be prepared for a resolution and revolutionary confrontation with the Guards, Basij [pro-government militia] and other security forces and disciplinary forces," the Associated Press news agency quoted the Guards as saying.

The plain-clothed Basij militia was involved in quelling earlier protests during more than a week of demonstrations against the re-election of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

The weekend violence led many Iranians to abandon protest plans. One regular protester, a 20-year-old student called Behrooz contacted by the BBC several times in recent days, said he was concerned he would be attacked if he took part.

"My mother went to the demonstration on Saturday. She wasn't hurt, but she saw guards attacking people and hitting them with batons," he said.

"She is the bravest of us all, but I don't think she will go out this afternoon (Sunday), because the clashes are getting bloodier every day."
This is going to signal the resolution of this, one way or the other. Either the RG will succeed in cracking down on the riots, or their presence will spark a full-scale revolution.
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Now I guess we'll see if these people really have faith in Allah, or if their supposed devotion is all talk. After all, if God is on your side, you'd have no reason to be afraid, right?
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I wish there was more we could do but the absolute best thing we can do is nothing at all. If the UN interferes I guarantee those people won't like it. More than likely the UN would back the ruling powers in the name of stability or just sit by and do nothing while writing stern letters to the ruling regime. If they want a revolution the best they can do is win it for themselves.
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If anyone tries to interfere then it'll give the entire country an enemy that they'll unite against, thus undoing everything that's being done now.
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We might not be able to directly help them but if the protestors suddenly decide they want to fight, I dare say hte CIA may find a way to supply them with weapons... again.
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I don't see any reason to interfere. They'll either succeed, or they wont. Airdropping weapons in would probably just help those Basij scumbags.
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You have to bear in mind that while they hate the government, they despise the US.
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Teaos wrote:We might not be able to directly help them but if the protestors suddenly decide they want to fight, I dare say hte CIA may find a way to supply them with weapons... again.
Any interference by us will be bad. Hell by anyone is bad. If someone does the government's line that this is all being orchestrated by outside forces suddenly has weight. More moderate Iranians might back the government and any potential revolution could lose steam.
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All I'm saying is that if the protesters decide they wanna fight, some untraceable weapons will find their way into their hands pretty quickly.
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Rochey wrote:You have to bear in mind that while they hate the government, they despise the US.
Yeah, we don't need to distract them and cause them to unite. Help 'em later with humanitarian aid is the most I think we should do if required.

Teaos wrote:All I'm saying is that if the protesters decide they wanna fight, some untraceable weapons will find their way into their hands pretty quickly.
Whenever you see a demonstration in the Middle East there are always weapons being shown and fired up into the air. So I don't think they'll have a problem with the local supply.
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Aye, guns aren't exactly in short supply in the ME.
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Maybe they could use some from the same supply as the thousands they smuggled into Iraq.

Right, I mean "didn't" smuggle into Iraq.
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Protesters and Police Clash.
By BRIAN MURPHY, Associated Press Writer Brian Murphy, Associated Press Writer - 50 mins ago

Riot police in Iran's capital fired tear gas and bullets in the air Wednesday in clashes with protesters who converged on a square near the parliament building in defiance of government orders to halt demonstrations demanding a new presidential election, witnesses said.

Security forces - who vastly outnumbered the small group of demonstrators - beat the protesters gathered on Tehran's Baharestan Square with batons and fired tear gas canisters and rounds of ammunition into the air, witnesses told The Associated Press. They said some demonstrators fought back while others fled to another Tehran plaza, Sepah Square, about a mile (2 kilometers) to the north.

A helicopter was seen hovering over central Tehran, where a witness told the AP that the area was swarming with hundreds of riot police who were trying to prevent people from gathering even briefly. Thousands more security officers filled the surrounding streets, said the witness, who declined to give his name for fear of government reprisals.

"There was a lot of police - riot police and Basiji everywhere," a 53-year-old housewife said, referring to Iran's volunteer militia corps. She said police stopped her and others from entering the square.

State-run Press TV said security forces dispersed the crowd of 200. "A heavy presence of the police prevented violence in the area," it said, calling the gathering "an illegal rally."

Severe restrictions on reporters have made it almost impossible to independently verify reports on demonstrations, clashes and casualties. Iran has ordered journalists for international news agencies to stay in their offices, barring them from reporting on the streets.

Supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's refusal earlier Wednesday to bow to demands from protesters effectively closed the door to any compromise with the opposition.
Looks like the opposition isn't giving up but a major police/military presence in the capital is putting a damper on the protests.
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