Abortion Doctor Killed

[Aaron]

No, I think they believe that it's more a case of "G-d will provide."

Meanwhile, I have a mental image of G-d saying, "What? I didn't get you into that situation."

Oh he'll provide, he'll provide a soup kitchen.

[Nickswitz]

As against abortion I am, I still think killing the guy was wrong.
And anti-abortionists are pretty crazy, they go really far to say, well... I'm crazy so you shouldn't get an abortion

That said, I'm one of those who believes that abortion is wrong, but that is because I believe all life is precious, regardless of how old it is.

[Mikey]

That's why your not one of these extremists - you remember that the doctor's life is just as much a life.

[stitch626]

Yeah, it is a disgrace when people claim that life is precious and then do such things as this.

[Lt. Staplic]

I wouldn't ever opt for an abortion in any relationship that I'm in, however sh*t happens, just because I'm not a fan does not mean that I have the right to take that option away from someone else....

beyond that, I'm a man, and hence have no say in what a woman does with/to her body.

[Tsukiyumi]

From a Newsweek article:

My mother left me a voice mail last Sunday afternoon. Before she even spoke, I could hear that she was crying. "Another doctor has been killed," she said, then hung up. Suddenly I felt the need to sew up a big hole in my comforter. Failing, I cried too. The evening news filled in the particulars: Dr. George Tiller, a physician who performed abortions in Wichita, Kans., was shot and killed while his wife sang in the choir and he handed out programs at his church.

For my family, the scenes on TV were like déjà vu. In October 1998, minutes after returning home from his synagogue, my uncle Bart Slepian-an ob-gyn who performed abortions in upstate New York and who had raised me after my own father died when I was 4-was shot in his kitchen. He was talking to his wife and his young sons when a bullet shattered a window, pierced Bart's spine, lung and aorta, then ricocheted into the den where it landed, still shiny, in the fireplace.

People try to be nice. I don't how Dr. Tiller's family is dealing with the onslaught of teddy bears, origami birds and prayers for his soul, but in my grief I was terribly critical of many efforts to comfort. The worst thing you could say to me: "Bart died for his cause." Bart was a board-certified obstetrician-gynecologist who delivered babies, conducted annual gynecological exams, dispensed birth control to young women and hormone therapy to older women, performed all sorts of surgeries and also did abortions. Dr. Tiller was a family doctor. He did specialize in late-term abortions. But given how few of those procedures are performed in the U.S.-some 14,000, or about 40 a year for the 350 or so physicians who do them-it's unlikely that Dr. Tiller made his entire medical living from these procedures alone. Certainly his family considered abortion just one facet of the man; to them, others were far more important. The day Dr. Tiller was killed, they said, "Today we mourn the loss of our husband, father and grandfather."

Truth told, the people at an abortion clinic who are superpolitically pro-choice are the people who work at them for little or no money-the support staff and volunteers. Doctors, in general, feel like they are just doing their jobs, and the ones I have known experience the efforts to stop them from doing their work far more personally than politically. When Bart's children were stalked (while they walked to their grade school, activists would ask my cousins, "Why does your dad kill babies?"); when his home, car and office were vandalized; when he was threatened with everything from being buried in cement to maiming to shooting, my uncle never said, "I need to protect a women's right to choose." He said, "No goddam bully is going to tell me what to do."

Of course Bart was pro-choice-sort of. Like most people who suctioned a 10-week-old fetus out of a woman's womb or cut a 16-week-old fetus into five pieces so it could be extracted, my uncle had a nuanced view of the procedure, far, far removed from political rhetoric. He often referred to abortion as a "lesser of evils," meaning keeping the procedure safe, legal and affordable was better than the annual addition of a million more unwanted children to the U.S. population. But in his last speech Bart called abortion "the killing, at least, of potential life." Dr. Tiller must have thought so too. He offered his patients funerary services for aborted fetuses.

The death of a loved one is always the worst thing that can happen to a human being. But when someone dies before they've had the life you think was rightfully theirs-long, joyful, fully realized-well, it's not that you don't think you'll survive the wound, you just don't want to. You flail-if, like me, you have the luxury. Some in my family did not.

When Bart was killed, his wife, Lynne, had been a stay-at-home mom for 15 years. She was proud of her role. It was all she wanted to be-before and after. Because, however, economically she had to, she returned to the work of her young adulthood, nursing. But raising four children alone on that salary, sending them to college-well, it is impossible. She may soon have to give up her house.

Loss is long and canny, and murder, in particular, offers two new companions. Grief, and the most terrible knowledge. Anything can happen. My friends were shocked when children shot their schoolmates at Columbine High School and again when a posse of young men hijacked airplanes and flew them into New York's tallest buildings. But once someone you love dies while waiting for his soup to warm-or, I imagine, handing out church programs-you know that anything can happen. Aliens could land.

So, while pundits puff and activists argue, we trudge on. Of course, life is not without joy. Bart's oldest son graduated from law school; my mom-Bart's sister-has started a thriving retail business. I had a baby. But every day-every hour, really-longing seeps out of your heart. What would Bart make of his grown, handsome accomplished sons, my daughter, my sister's twins, my mom's store, of flat-screen TVs, of 9/11, President Obama, what I have written about him? On the really bad days, I try to sew up the hole. On better ones, I just miss him.

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This hits it on the head for me; politically, abortion should be a non-issue. It's entirely a personal thing, and thus, is no one else's damn business. These nutjobs think they're making a political statement, or doing what's "right" by murdering the doctors, when all they're doing is stealing someone's family.

They think they have the right to dictate a purely personal decision; I wonder how they'd like it if someone dictated how they pray, or to whom.

[Mikey]

Tsu - I agree with you, but I have to play devil's advocate. For some people who are anti-abortion due to religious reasons, part of the practice of their faith is not just to be pro-life themselves; it is to make everyone pro-life. As I said, I don't agree with that, but it is part of their faith.

[Graham Kennedy]

Here's an interesting twist :

The man charged with murdering a high-profile abortion doctor claimed from his jail cell Sunday that similar violence was planned around the nation for as long as the procedure remained legal... "I know there are many other similar events planned around the country as long as abortion remains legal," Roeder said. He would not elaborate.

Now... this is the absolutely classic case that is often proposed whereby you have a terrorist in custody, and he apparently has knowledge of impending acts of terrorism. So what I'm curious to know is, will the right wing be calling on us to torture information out of this man? I expect Anne Coulter will want him waterboarded, yes?

[Mikey]

will the right wing be calling on us to torture information out of this man? I expect Anne Coulter will want him waterboarded, yes?

Of course not. He's not brown.

[Teaos]

And the right wing would never torture one of their own.

[Tsukiyumi]

And the right wing would never torture one of their own.

I voted for Republican candidates in three elections, but it was sure torture for me to watch Bush and co. in action.

[Monroe]

And the right wing would never torture one of their own.

I voted for Republican candidates in three elections, but it was sure torture for me to watch Bush and co. in action.

I voted republican for Sheriff *shrug*

[Sionnach Glic]

Wait, you vote for your head of police?

[Tyyr]

Sheriff is an elected position in many areas. Exactly what his duties are varies.

[Sionnach Glic]

But he is the head of police, yes?
Why the hell do you vote for your head of police?