Eat that China

Granitehewer · Post by **Granitehewer** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:18 pm

With the sino hegemony and all its subservient satellites, and caspian state allies or at least compliants, and with the kokkais' threats to quarantine american bases, and the philippenes, having their resurgent 'national emphasis' and ethnic strife, its going to be tricky in the next few decades for america to extert military influence in the region, via conventional means, and seafort is right, that nato was established with a central front war through german plains and the scapa flow in mind.

Granitehewer · Post by **Granitehewer** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:34 pm

how many nato powers refused to condone, or commit troops recently to peacekeeping missions? its a big number

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:36 pm

Granitehewer wrote:With the sino hegemony and all its subservient satellites, and caspian state allies or at least compliants, and with the kokkais' threats to quarantine american bases, and the philippenes, having their resurgent 'national emphasis' and ethnic strife, its going to be tricky in the next few decades for america to extert military influence in the region, via conventional means, and seafort is right, that nato was established with a central front war through german plains and the scapa flow in mind.

You obviously know sweet fuck all about China's force projection capabilities, they do not have the means to invade Taiwan and are not moving to acquire these means. The US can beat their current and projected forces with a few CVBG in the straits. And by basing fighters on Taiwan.

Granitehewer · Post by **Granitehewer** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:44 pm

READ MY POSTS, i didn't mention a chinese ballistic missile offensive or invasion, all my posts relate to geopolitics between the asian nations,including the warming of relations between Taipei and Beijing, with enhanced economic and political ties, and ethnocentric revivals in the orient, with a resultant shirking of western values,it didn't mention overt chinese military action,nor any conventional war at all. Infact in earlier posts, i poo poo'ed the idea, of chinese fighters over taiwan etc.
So next time,read what i f**king write and not tell me what you think i do or do not know about geopolitics, or global strategies.
And as for your mention of the conventional action in the littoral waters of the formosa strait and other sectors near taiwan or the spratlys, i didn't say that china was moving to acquire sufficient expeditionary might in that sphere at all, i know the limits of han submarines for instance, i was mentioning the politico-economic ties

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:06 am

Perhaps your unaware that Taiwan recently petioned the UN for membership yet again. Moving closer to China my ass.

Granitehewer · Post by **Granitehewer** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:13 am

Read up any of the whitepapers freely available or journals on the increasingly financial solidarity between the republic of china and the peoples' republic of china with singapore forming a new eco-triumvirate, and the dilution of Taiwans' demands on its status with the PRC Politburo, regarding the official nomenclature of recognition etc, or if you'd rather have a book, compiled from journals and with an extensive reference section, read 'The Clash of Civilisations' by Sam Huntingdon, he includes many sources which are freely available and publish by governmental sectors on both sides of the pacific and by the private sector..
One of the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council is the Peoples' Republic of China.
I had not disagreed with your post on conventional warfare or chinas' military, but you had not read mine, and thus offensively misinterpreted what was being said.
The status of Chinas' 20 icbm's has changed somewhat since the recent counterintel coups of the ministry of state security, so if the figure is from Tom Clancys' ''The Bear and the Dragon'' or ''SSBN'', it needs revising.

Granitehewer · Post by **Granitehewer** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:07 pm

I'm recommending some sources incase anyone here, like me is interested in geopolitics, global strategy, espionage, diplomacy or economics
Sources: (its much more exciting than it sounds,honestly, although not focusing directly on the military and its technologies,some of the journals do include them, i used to only be interested in the minutae of weaponary but the global picture is fascinating! Some of the Articles are Journals, i've not italicised anything according to convention, but i can try to provide my password and username if some of the journals are subscription only, as have a few subscriptions out at the moment)
J Heilbrum 'The Next Cold War', New Republic, 1993
RH Munro 'Can Chinas' Armed Forces Win the Next War and ' Eaves dropping on the Chinese Military: Where it Expects War and Where it doesn't', 1994
G Segal, 'Asia Skepticism about Optimism', National Interest 1995
Henry A Kissinger, Diplomacy, 1994
HDS Greenways' phase Boston Globe, 3 dec 1992
MM Mochizuku 'Japan and the Strategic Quadrangle', Council on Foreign Relations, 1995
B Buzan 'Rethinking East Asian Security', 1993
M Tehranian Restructuring for World Peace: On the Threshold of the 21st Century
L Dittmer 'Whither Chinas' Quest for National Identity', 1991
Elmandjra Premiere Guerre Civilisationelle, 1994
M Klare 'The Next Great Arms Race', Foreign Affairs, 1993
P Dibb Towards a new Balance of Power in Asia, International Institute for Strategic Studies, 1995
R Jarvis ' Dominoes and Bandwagons, Strategic Beliefs and Great Power Competition in the Eurasian Rimland, 1991
B Buzan New Patterns of Global Security in the 21st Century, International Affairs
Government of Singapore, Shared Values, 1991
CIA Agency ' The Challenge of Ethnic Conflict to National and International Order: Geographic Perspectives
RK Betts' Vietnams Strategic Predicament, Survival 1995
IP Hall 'Japans' Asia Card', National Interest, 1994
JL Gadis 'Toward the Post-Cold War World', Foreign Affairs 1991
F Fukuyama 'The End of History', The National Interest 1989
JM Goldgeier A Tale of Two Worlds: Core and Periphery in the Post Cold War Era, International Organisation, 1992
JL Richardson 'Asia-Pacific, the Case for Geopolitical Optimism', National Interest, 1994
RA Bitzinger 'Arms to Go: Chinese Sales to the Third World, International Security, 1992
A Singer The Real World Order: Zones of Peace, Zones of Turmoil, 1993
DP Moynihan Pandaemonium: Ethnicity in International Politics, 1993
F Bergsten Reconcilible Differences? United States-Japan Economic Conflict, Institute for International Economics, 1993
D Ball 'Arms and Affluence: Arms Acquisitions in the Asia-Pacific Region', International Security, 1994
In the Economist, 'The New World Order Back to the Future' and 'A Survey of Defense and Democracies' and 'Clash of Civilisations and Cultures: Unity and Disunity of World Order'
KW Eikenberry 'Explaining and Influencing Chinese Arms Transfer, Institute for National Defense Studies, 1995
N Baker 'The Problem with Parachuting: Strategic Studies and Security in the Asia-Pacific Region' journal of strategic studies,1995
If Anyone fancies reading the Journals, Governmental White Papers or Books, and has real difficulty, I'll try to help, although there might be a few days gap, as dad is back in the coronary care ward again.

Granitehewer · Post by **Granitehewer** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:09 pm

I've got more stuff on resurgent Islam, the Latin Americas and Eurasia, if anyone is curious, have bits and bobs on subsaharan africa too, but hardly worth reading

Granitehewer · Post by **Granitehewer** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:19 pm

ps sorry Kendall, if i seemed rude, you're a great guy as everyone on here will readily agree

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:18 pm

Kendall, with my earler post I was refering to an all-out war.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:07 pm

Actually the 20 ICBM figure comes from www.fas.org which is pretty current. I don't take figures from Clancy's work. You have my apologies if I was rude.

Granitehewer · Post by **Granitehewer** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:12 pm

not at all, but you're a nice guy, and i'd be gutted if we botj were to fall out over anything