'Student' in Ohio school rampage

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:15 pm

Monroe wrote:
I was in the military so yes, the game shoots back.

So was I, what trade were you?

Monroe · Post by **Monroe** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:39 pm

Cpl Kendall wrote:
Monroe wrote:
I was in the military so yes, the game shoots back.
So was I, what trade were you?

Signal Support Specialist in the Army Reserve.

I'm not saying I hunt human but a bird flying around is a lot better practice than a half human shape cut out that pops up. But I don't hunt often at all and haven't since I left the military so I'm not the best person to talk about it. Though I have gone to a few shooting ranges since.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:30 pm

Monroe wrote:
Signal Support Specialist in the Army Reserve.

Small world, I was a Radio Operator in the Canadian Forces.

DarkOmen · Post by **DarkOmen** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:59 pm

Ugg... as most of you know now, I love guns. I love everything about them. I love shooting, I love sitting for minutes, even hours, looking through a scope waiting for the perfect shot. I love cleaning my guns, I love reloading my empty casings. But, I am always responsible, safety is always first. I' dont mess around with my guns, Ive never wanted to use them to hurt anyone (although, i do have a hangun that i keep close in my house for the rare case of neccessary self defense). I actually agree with mikey about hunting being rather unfair for the animals ( i prefer target shooting) and when i do hunt, i usually do it with a hangun or a bow, drastically increasing the skill neccessary to get within range of the animal.

Reports like this shooting make me sad, not only for the families that suffered, but for the fact that a handful of people and asshole brats are RUINING an honorable recreation for MILLIONS of law abiding citizens. The problem with gun laws is, the only people it hurts is the honest people... if a criminal is intent on getting a gun or hurting someone, he will do it.

In california, we implemented a post purchase waiting period on gun sales. when you buy a gun, you have to wait 10 days before you can get it. while annoying for people like me, it has drastically decreased the number of heat of passion crimes involving guns. While i hope it never comes to complete banning of firearms, i understand that certain restrictions should apply. While i would love to own an M60 or somehting, there really is no practical reason for a civilian to own one... My other problem with gun laws is the fact that the politicians who make them are often very naive, and ignorant of firearms and firearm practices. They need to educate themselves before passing laws.

And on a nother note, Mikey, while black bears are in their own right dangerous, a 12 gauge with 00 buck shot, wouldnt do shit do a Kodiak Grizzly. They recommend a minimum of a .375 H&H magnum to penetrate the layers and layers of fat and bone and skin

so in certain areas, of course, it is warranted to have the extra firepower

RK_Striker_JK_5 · Post by **RK_Striker_JK_5** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:13 pm

I think DarkOmen hit upon a good point, there. Personal responsibility with firearm. If you own such a lethal device, make damned well sure you know how to use it and maintain it.

I don't own a gun, but I won't impede on someone's right to responsibly use said gun. And if you can't handle said responsibilty, then i think you shouldn't be able to own/handle a weapon.

Post by **Mikey** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:29 pm

DarkOmen wrote:a 12 gauge with 00 buck shot, wouldnt do **** do a Kodiak Grizzly

Exactly my point. I was referring to the comment on the necessity of heavier firepower to protect agasinst wildlife - I was using the fact that what is available and usable here in New Jersey is mostly ineffective against bears, to demonstrate the fact that firearms are not necessary to protect your home from an animal invader.

Plus, you can imagine what kind of minimal ranges these guys here in New Jersey have to shoot at during the bear hunt...

celeritas · Post by **celeritas** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:04 pm

uh...i own a zapper and a light phaser...thats pretty much it...

not even sure where i put them...probably in a box somewhere.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:26 am

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:I think DarkOmen hit upon a good point, there. Personal responsibility with firearm. If you own such a lethal device, make damned well sure you know how to use it and maintain it.

I don't own a gun, but I won't impede on someone's right to responsibly use said gun. And if you can't handle said responsibilty, then i think you shouldn't be able to own/handle a weapon.

Exactly why I mentioned that safety training should be manditory, then if you screw up and kill someone you should have the book thrown at you as you have no excuse.

RK_Striker_JK_5 · Post by **RK_Striker_JK_5** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:16 am

Thanks, Kendall. I don't know too much about firearms, myself. I'd take a metric ton of courses first, though. Common sense and all.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:34 am

In Canada, safety training is mandatory before you get your firearms license and again before you get your hunting license.

DarkOmen · Post by **DarkOmen** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:16 am

There really isnt much here.. you ahve to take Hunter Safety befor going hunting, and handgun safety before buying a hand gun, but if you are over 18, you can walk into any gunstore and buy a long gun/rifle/shot gun if you have the money and a drivers liscnse/ i.d.

Post by **Mikey** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:45 pm

Depeding on what state you're in, there might be a short waiting period, but that's all. In fact, while traveling through Lebanon, PA, I once passed a small roadside establishment called - I'm not making this up - "Bob's Gun Shop and Luncheonette."

Enkidu · Post by **Enkidu** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:25 pm

It's interesting that in parts of the US it is only legal to hunt with a shotgun or crossbow..... In the UK it is the exact opposite. It is only legal to hunt large game with a high powered rifle. The reasoning is that shotguns and crossbows are less likely to result in a clean kill, where as a marksman (most deer legally shot in Britain, at least below the Scottish borders, are done by professionals such as rangers and gamekeepers) with a rifle is usually going to score a instant kill.
We don't really have that much of a hunting culture over here, unless you count those prats who used to chase foxes. Angling is very popular, but it simply wouldn't occur to the average Briton to dissappear into the woods on a weekend with his mates, some guns, and a lot of beer.

celeritas · Post by **celeritas** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:53 pm

well apparently, its legal for our vice president to shoot an old guy in the face too...

Post by **Mikey** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:05 pm

Enkidu wrote:It's interesting that in parts of the US it is only legal to hunt with a shotgun or crossbow.....

I can only speak for my home state, New Jersey, where IIRC it's not even legal to OWN a crossbow. The reasoning is that, unlike your descriprion, hunting is generally carried out by people who are NOT professional marksmen. I'm not saying that most hunters aren't skilled at using their selected weapons; but the idea here, where the population is so dense, is that a missed shot from a shotgun will not continue as readily into a residential a/o populated area.

There are most definitely areas in NJ in which a missed rifle shot from the woods would continue into a high-traffic area.