On SDN

[Captain Seafort]

...I'd like to know which aspects of it you consider "shite".

Sorry for not clarifying. I meant the forum.

Sure there are some bits of it that are drivel. The sci-fi forums, 99% of the time, are not among them.

[Graham Kennedy]

Frankly this whole thing they have with SW vs ST is crap, you can't compare the two, they are completely different and rely on less than real world physics. This type of argument helps neither side and int he end the only thing that matters is; 1969 & 1977, we were first, we win...

I think you can have a good versus debate, in theory, but that it rarely if ever happens. First off, whatever conclusion you arrive at is going to depend almost totally on how you frame the argument - what you accept as evidence and how you interpret it, basically. And second, you have to not be too serious about it. I don't know how the Trek V Wars debate is now, but back in the day they were so serious about it that it was almost unbelievable. I have friends who got *death threats*. Real, live, actual serious ones.

Stuff like that is why it's outlawed here.

[Sionnach Glic]

Sorry for not clarifying. I meant the forum

Could you be more specific?
Their attitudes towards a lot of things, politics, religion, etc, actualy mirrors the attitudes of the majority of people here quite strongly. So I find it amusing that you're attacking it (particularly as you've spent...what, ten minutes looking over it?).

Its funny that they blast Trekkies for being a bunch of fanbois but yet they are just as bad, if not worse than some Trekkie Fanbois.

In what way are they "just as bad, if not worse"?

The continually have to twist what is said to fit their own arguments and then bash others for doing the same.

By all means, point out any example of them doing that.

Frankly this whole thing they have with SW vs ST is crap, you can't compare the two, they are completely different and rely on less than real world physics.

It's easy enough to compare them. Just look here.

[Captain Seafort]

I don't know how the Trek V Wars debate is now

Dead for the last six years, to the best of my knowledge. With the exception of the occasional isolated crackpot who shall remain nameless.

back in the day they were so serious about it that it was almost unbelievable. I have friends who got *death threats*. Real, live, actual serious ones.

Death threats are two-a-penny on the internet, as our friendly neighbourhood chakat demonstrated. If you're talking about plausible ones, I hold the opinion that if someone's that nuts then if it weren't STvSW that set them off then something else would have. In any event, the only allegation of death threats I've heard off in relation to the debate involved Darkstar, who's about as reliable a source as Fox News.

[Graham Kennedy]

Death threats are two-a-penny on the internet, as our friendly neighbourhood chakat demonstrated. If you're talking about plausible ones,

Yes, I am.

I hold the opinion that if someone's that nuts then if it weren't STvSW that set them off then something else would have. In any event, the only allegation of death threats I've heard off in relation to the debate involved Darkstar, who's about as reliable a source as Fox News.

Uh huh. If you say so.

[Graham Kennedy]

The continually have to twist what is said to fit their own arguments and then bash others for doing the same.

By all means, point out any example of them doing that.

But do is elsewhere or in PM.

[Tsukiyumi]

Hey, I didn't say that.

Rochey - I actually spent about an hour, but I'll admit, I only read around the posts regarding DITL. I guess I'm just a bit offended by the personal attacks on Graham and the quality of this site.

And, I stand by my earlier assertion about that one guy. Everything he said was irritating IMO.

[Sionnach Glic]

Uh huh. If you say so

If you're talking about Darkstar, his accusations of "death threats" against him were because of a short story that was clearly written in jest featuring several prominant members of the VS community beating him up with a copy of the ICS. I'd hardly rank that any more serious than Blackstar's whining.

But do is elsewhere or in PM.

If you wish.
Tsu, I'll be awaiting your PM.

[Captain Seafort]

I'm up for a triangular PM debate if Rochey and Tsu are.

[Sionnach Glic]

A debate on what? The quality/lack thereof of SDN, or ST V SW?
I'm up for either, but if it's the latter then Tsu might not be interested; he didn't start off saying SDN's conclusions were flawed.

[Captain Seafort]

Either, although the one that's developing seems to be regarding the quality of SDN rather than the versus debate.

[Tsukiyumi]

The only thing I was complaining about was the amount of disrespect for DITL. 18 pages? Geez.

[Graham Kennedy]

Hey, I didn't say that.

So you didn't, I messed up the quotes. My apologies, it was KuvahMagh.

[Captain Seafort]

The only thing I was complaining about was the amount of disrespect for DITL. 18 pages? Geez.

Disrespect, or simply having a go at percieved problems with the site? It's fundamentally no different to the stick we give to that twerp with the 16km Sovereign. I don't see Graham kicking up a fuss, and it's his work that's being criticised.

[Sionnach Glic]

Thought it best to move this discussion elsewhere, since it was starting to clutter up the original thread.